Illuminati preparing a nuclear attack

[Bill EE]

Much better than "Fucking Twit" :D

Thanks

[Lance]

Much better than "Fucking Twit" :D

Thanks

You're welcome.

And I'd never really have given you "Fucking Twit". It's far to mundane.

Now, if IDW ever calls you "The Master of all Things Twit", you can bet your sweet bippy that will be your rank before you can log back in here and tell us about it. :wink:

[HUb']

http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00782/Forum/phpB ... ?p=660#660


11:47am PdT

[Bill EE]

HUb' - don't understand what you are trying to say.

[Lance]

HUb' - don't understand what you are trying to say.

This is a chronic issue. Ask Candy for help.

[HUb']

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewt ... 4899#54899

maybe this will help "CANdy"

http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/hardtac1.htm

{Just REMember 1 thing (No Clouds)}? that :"April day": at T-5 and count

[Bill EE]

[I Am He]

You can set off all the A-Bombs we have on Earth right now and it will come to naught. The Earth has been bombarded from the time it was formed, and as you can see we are still in the same orbit. Also we've been hit by millions mega tons then anything that we have right now. Woo Woo's will always believe fiction over fact, it's what keeps them going. But that's only my opinion :wink:

[Lance]

But let's not forget World Jump Day next summer.

[Мастер]

But let's not forget World Jump Day next summer.

I suppose if they jump at escape velocity and don't come back, that would change the earth's orbit (in a really, really, really, really small way).

When this accomplishes nothing, one suspects the organizers will blame it on apathy, not the unsoundness of the concept.

[HUb']

http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/magerkur.htm

[Bill EE]

Well HUb' you got me with that one. I am going to run out today and get a shitload of diesel fuel to shower in when the bomb goes off! Always need to be prepared.

[neocracker]

The woo-woos would have gone nuts if they heard what was going on in late July in Savannah, GA. We had urban warfare exercises with the Marines in town. Didn't see any ground troops but the Seaknights, Harriers, AH-1's, and FA-18's were zooming around.

[HUb']

Well HUb' you got me with that one. I am going to run out today and get a shitload of diesel fuel to shower in when the bomb goes off! Always need to be prepared.

Olive?
Ha Ha Ha you fall rfor the silliest JOKE's

as I recall the tails The Deisal wash downs were when we left Atomi
and headed tward the Equator... eveyone had CRAB's and that got rid of "Em
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as far as the Diver goes? {(Yes}) the Shanti had several on board
R.M. as I recall was a Very good Wist player
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a Lot of time was spent playing cards in the Mess
So yeah I REMember both DC's (especially "Youg`Un) who post their2
:::
I was on watch whene he had Captains Mast and got busted to Duse
aarrge nice kid just (well never mind) the Shanti was diff
???
to say the least... Butt we were there (Underwater) closer than anyone
except for the SUB which was 1/2 our distance and below
//tilt\\
for whatever its worth the UQC-1 did work ok so we knew (IN CIC)
that the sub was leaking badly but was ok and going to run aground?

[HUb']

The woo-woos would have gone nuts if they heard what was going on in late July in Savannah, GA. We had urban warfare exercises with the Marines in town. Didn't see any ground troops but the Seaknights, Harriers, AH-1's, and FA-18's were zooming around.

yeah:yeah:/
there are so many lies and deception, it silly actually
life is not easy I will say that much
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Hunted like a gamer
actually
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however this today
yesterday the was a Qauke
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probably felt in Atomi
i'll post something after 9
???
about that 7
in the Quake forum on BaBB

[sakuraba]

Cters claim draft boards are gearing up:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftboa ... ug05.shtml

I saw an article in factcheck.org that had a reply to this, but I cannot access to as the site seems unavailable, can someone post it? This is the link:

http://www.factcheck.org/article200.html

It is unavailable. Please someone repost it.

[Lance]

http://www.factcheck.org/article200.html

It is unavailable. Please someone repost it.

The article? You want the article reposted?

(Posted here in its entirety with permission from FactCheck.org.)

Draft Fears Fueled by Inaccurate E-mails

A scare story spreads electronically, but it gets facts wrong. June 15, 2004 Modified: September 29, 2004 Summary   Several FactCheck subscribers have asked about an e-mailed rumor that is causing a lot of anxiety. It claims that steps are being taken to resume military conscription next year. But the message abounds with misinformation and half-truths. And some experts say conscription is the last thing the military wants or needs, despite being stretched thin in Iraq. Analysis   We can't say whether this one is deliberate misinformation or just sloppy reporting, but it sure is generating a lot of needless anxiety. It amounts to another "lying e-mail" of the kind we've warned about before (check the links to "related articles" at the end of this one.) Draft? Wrong! (Excerpts from misleading e-mail) The possibility of mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something, I believe, everyone should know . This literally affects EVERYONE since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes. If there are children in your family, READ this. There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. . . . Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents . . . . And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! . . . $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system (sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. . . . The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. . . . Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year. Basic Facts About Draft Let's start with a few essential facts. Military conscription ended in the US in 1973. Males aged 18 through 25 still are required to register with the Selective Service System, but it would take an act of Congress to resume actual conscription into military service. That's not likely. Here's what Selective Service says on its website as of June 14 (emphasis added): Selective Service System: Notwithstanding recent stories . . . on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Both the White House and the Pentagon have denied repeatedly that they're planning any return to military conscription. Here's what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said May 17, addressing the conservative Heritage Foundation (emphasis added): Rumsfeld: I can't imagine our country going back to a draft. We don't need it. We're able to attract and retain wonderful people the way we're doing it as long as we provide the appropriate incentives. And certainly this is a country that's wealthy enough to do that. The Scare Story A different -- and misleading -- story is being circulated by e-mail and posted on any number of mostly left-leaning websites, claiming that the Bush administration is "quietly trying" to pass legislation to reactivate the draft, and that $28 million has been added to the Selective Service budget this year to prepare for a military draft that could start "as early as June 15, 2005." The message is false or misleading on several counts. --The bills are not being pushed. It's quite true that the two bills mentioned would require both men and women aged 18 through 25 to perform a two-year period of "national service," which incidentally could be either military or non-military service. But the bills are sponsored only by Democrats, and there's not the slightest evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for them, quietly or otherwise. One bill is HR 163 , whose principal sponsor is Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel of New York. It has 14 co-sponsors, all of them Democrats in a Congress controlled by Republicans. The bill was dead on arrival: it sits in a House subcommittee with no hearings or votes scheduled and no action expected. In fact, Rangel told FactCheck.org through his spokesman Emile Milne that even he isn't pushing for passage, let alone Bush (emphasis added): Rep. Rangel: I'm not pushing this bill . It's up to the President to come to me when he needs it. The identical Senate bill, S. 89 , introduced by Democratic Sen. Ernest Hollings, and also was DOA. Not one other senator has co-sponsored it. It also sits in committee with no action scheduled or expected. Both bills in question were drawn up  before the Iraq war started, mostly to make a political point. Rangel said he acted to highlight Democratic objections to use of military force against Saddam Hussein. He wrote , "I truly believe that decision-makers who support war would more readily feel the pain of conflict and appreciate the sacrifice of those on the front lines if their children were there, too." The Selective Service Budget has not been increased. The scare story also gets it wrong when it claims the budget for the Selective Service is being increased by $28 million in 2004. In fact, the Selective Service System's budget is flat. Its total operating budget was $26 million in fiscal year 2003 (which ended last Sept. 30), and is $26 million for fiscal 2004 as well. Furthermore, the President is asking for $26 million again for fiscal year 2005, and the Office of Management and Budget actually projects that the agency will shrink in size from 161 employees to 156 next year. That's hardly gearing up for a draft. Military experts say a draft doesn't make sense.   Numerous news accounts have quoted military experts as saying a draft would cause more problems for the military than it would solve. Here's one example, from an excellent story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette last month (emphasis added): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "The draft would be the Army's worst nightmare," said retired Lt. Col. Leonard Wong, now a research professor at the U.S. Army War College at Carlisle Barracks. "We have a high quality Army because we have people who want to be in it. Our volunteer force is really a professional force. You can't draft people into a profession." The Selective Service System figures it would take 183 days from the the time an order comes down to begin a draft until the first conscript reports for training. Training conscripts and forming them into military units would take many months more to meet the requirements of today's high-tech military.  If more trained uniformed men and women are needed, it would be much faster to mobilize additional National Guard units. The Post-Gazette  reports that of 38 Army National Guard combat brigades only three have been called to active service and four others were mobilizing, leaving 31 upon which to draw. (Note: National Guard Spokesman Scott Woodham confirmed these figures when FactCheck.org inquired on June 15.) Other Dubious Claims The e-mail ominously states that "the Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions." But it turns out that's nothing new: the Selective Service has been trying to fill vacancies on local boards for several years, and the Selective Service isn't part of the Pentagon anyway -- it's an independent agency. It's true that a notice appeared briefly last year on a Department of Defense website urging anyone who might be willing to serve as an unpaid volunteer on a local draft board to contact the Selective Service System in Washington. The notice touched off a flurry of news reports speculating that a renewed draft might be in the works, after which the notice quickly disappeared. (A copy of the notice was preserved here. The spot on the DOD website from which it disappeared is here.) As an Associated Press story later explained, however, the search for volunteer board members has been on since 1999 when many original board members started hitting their 20-year term limits. The current board system was established in 1979. The e-mail also notes -- correctly -- that student deferments wouldn't be a ticket to avoid military service in any renewed draft, the way they were during the Vietnam war. Back then, anyone with the means and inclination could stay in college and graduate school and keep pursuing degrees until too old to be drafted. That couldn't happen today. Should a draft resume, deferments would only allow a draftee to delay induction to finish high school or, if in college, to finish the current semester. But that's nothing new, either. Congress reformed student deferments more than 30 years ago, as the Vietnam era draft was winding down. Finally, the e-mail speculates that a US-Canadian agreement reached in December, 2001 would make it harder for draft evaders to flee to Canada, as many American men did to avoid service in Vietnam. However, the "smart border declaration " makes no mention of US draft laws. Whether Canadian officials would be any more inclined to run down US draft evaders in the future than they were 30 years ago is a matter for conjecture. Sources Federal Document Clearing House, Inc., FDCH Political Transcripts, "Secretary Of Defense Rumsfeld Delivers Remarks To The Heritage Foundation," 17 May 2004. US Government Printing Office, "Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 -- Appendix," (Other Defense - Civil Programs ), Jan 2004; 933. Jack Kelly, "Rumor Aside, Draft's Return Most Unlikely," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette , 24 May 2004: A1. Pauline Jelinek, "Pentagon Can't Seem to Kill Idea of Draft," The Associated Press , 1 June 2004. Scott Canon, "Fear of draft's renewal exists in spite of political, social obstacles," Kansas City Star, 25 May 2004. Associated Press, "Selective Service notice creates flurry of press reports suggesting return of draft," USA Today.com, 11 Nov 2003. Selective Service System, "DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SELECTIVE SERVICE TODAY AND DURING VIETNAM," agency website accessed 14 June 2004. Canadian Embassy, Washington DC, " The Smart Border Declaration ," 12 Dec 2001. Related Articles Lies in the E-mail, Part 2 What To Do When Your Friends E-mail Lies To You.

Copyright 2005 Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania

Judgments expressed are those of FactCheck.org’s staff, not the Annenberg Center

[Мастер]

I'm guessing that all "free thinkers" know that factcheck.org is sponsored by the gubmint?

[Lance]

Isn't everything that disagrees with what the "free thinkers" think sponsored by the government? I mean, that's just how things work...

[HUb']

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