End of Days

[Puma]

Please state your personal veiw on this subject.

My own veiw is that we are actually witnessing prophetic events. I have long been a student of prophecy and I personally believe the Tribulation has already begun and will very soon become apparent to those who have "fallen away". Yes, this is a touchy subject for many, but the occurence of warnings and reports of visions on the web and elsewhere should be taken into account. I am not a woowoo; I will point out what is spoken of in the Bible codes and the Bible appears to be taking place. Many of the Bible codes have been proven chillingly accurate and there are certain events still to occur before the end of this year.

I do not attend any church nor do I belong to any study group. Ever since the age of 12 I have known that this world is not as it should be. You can think of me as a seeker of the truth and I believe that the truth is nowhere close to the pap we have been taught by offialdom and the media.

Please feel free to post your views, retorts or rebuttals. I have very thick skin.

[azazul]

I am not a woowoo; I will point out what is spoken of in the Bible codes and the Bible appears to be taking place.

Such as...

[Lance]

I'm going to move this to a different area. I think God vs. the Good Doctor is more appropriate.

But please, carry on...

[Puma]

Exodus2006 website.

Whatever you feel is appropriate, Lance....

[Мастер]

I think this page sums up my feelings nicely:

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/drosninII.html

It's unfortunate that these guys never predict anything before it happens.

I would also point out that at many times in history people have thought the end of the world was coming. Century marks are always a biggie, and the 14th century plague in Europe seemed a very opportune time. Didn't happen though. The question is not, can one find events that resemble things foretold somewhere. The question ought to be, is the number and similarity of the events I can find that resemble some prophecy greater than I have any right to expect by chance, assuming that the prophecy is complete bunk.

[azazul]

Exodus2006 website

Point me to something in particular, I went there and only found crap. I don't have the patience to look through it all. Anyway, the fact that they include a pole shift makes me very wary about the validity of anything (well that is ignoring the whole bible code bs).

Then there is this:

I need some money fairly urgently - so I can visit Axum and start making some preparations. Thanks! - Andy

Yeah, I bet every bit of the money donated will be going to his "preparations" and not more LSD to think more of this crap up.

[Eroica]

My own view is that we are actually witnessing prophetic events.

Ah, if only we were living in interesting times! Sadly, we're not! This world is 13.7 billion years old, and there's many billions to come - so don't hold your breath if you're waiting for the end of it!

I have long been a student of prophecy and I personally believe the Tribulation has already begun and will very soon become apparent to those who have "fallen away".

How long must I remain skeptical before you change your mind? A year? A decade?

By the way, I didn't fall - I jumped!

Yes, this is a touchy subject for many

Hopefully not on this site!

... but the occurrence of warnings and reports of visions on the web and elsewhere should be taken into account.

Why? Any nonsense can be posted on the web.

I am not a woowoo;

Woowoo was not the first word that sprang to my mind when I read your OP! :D

I will point out what is spoken of in the Bible codes and the Bible appears to be taking place.

I await with bated breath! But please try and be specific.

Many of the Bible codes have been proven chillingly accurate and there are certain events still to occur before the end of this year.

Specifics, please!

I do not attend any church nor do I belong to any study group.

Nor do I, so I won't hold either against you!

Ever since the age of 12 I have known that this world is not as it should be.

Known, or believed?

You can think of me as a seeker of the truth and I believe that the truth is nowhere close to the pap we have been taught by officialdom and the media.

I bet you wouldn't have called it pap if you believed otherwise!

Officialdom and the media have peddled lots of different "pap" over the centuries. Some of this pap flatly contradicts other pap. It's much too sweeping to condemn it all.

Please feel free to post your views, retorts or rebuttals. I have very thick skin.

So do I. :D

[Lance]

Ever since the age of 12 I have known that this world is not as it should be.

Since we only have this one world, how can you know? What is your reference point? How do you know what the world should be?

[Puma]

Everybody wanted a debate; so I gave you one! Anyway I am curious about your views; no, I am not holding my breath, waiting for the world to end. Great reply Eroica! All of your replies give me food for thought.

[Lance]

Everybody wanted a debate; so I gave you one! Anyway I am curious about your views; no, I am not holding my breath, waiting for the world to end. Great reply Eroica! All of your replies give me food for thought.

And it is much appreciated...

I didn't mean for my questions to sound like there was a "so there" attached to them. I was asking sincerely.

[Bill EE]

I will assume you know that people have been predicting the end of the world for many - many years. I was scared senseless as a teenager by "The Late Great Planet Earth" which claimed to see prophetic events in 1971 with the world ending in 1980. Unless my watch is off, 1980 came and went without the end coming. Several years ago I started collecting old books and one of my treasures is "The Midnight Hour and After" by H. W. webb-Peploe (Vicar of St Paul's Onslow Square London). This book originally issued in 1920 (mine is a good quality fifth edition in 1925) talked about the prophetic events the author witness with WW I and how it showed the end of times around 1930. Since my dad was born in 1936 I have to believe this did not occur. My Grandfather believe that Jesus was coming in the year 2000 and he knew the Bible backwards and forwards. None of this is meant to insult you - I am just pointing out that smart people can see paterns that do not exist.

Now to the Bible - 2 Thess 2:1-4 says:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

This clearly says that the Anti-Christ has to be reveled first and that the Temple has been rebuilt. None of these things have happen yet unless you know something I don't.

I would also like to point out:

"But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief."

Which my upbringing (Lutheran) means that no matter how hard you watch the day of the second coming will be a surprise. Of course, Lutherans believe the rapture comes at the end and we are stuck here to fight the Anti-Christ but that comes with the turf !

Editted due to too much sun

[azazul]

Why would "God" end the world after only 8000ish years if "He" exists forever, surely that is like the blink of an eye to "Him"? Seems kind of pointless to have made us in the first place.

[Lance]

Why would "God" end the world after only 8000ish years if "He" exists forever, surely that is like the blink of an eye to "Him"? Seems kind of pointless to have made us in the first place.

That's easy. Just look at GLP.

We are amusing.

[Eroica]

Why would "God" end the world after only 8000ish years if "He" exists forever, surely that is like the blink of an eye to "Him"? Seems kind of pointless to have made us in the first place.

And why did he bother making humans with free will in the first place? When they fail to believe in him or worship him, he starts messing around with obscure prophecies, etc to try and influence them!

In short, what purpose does prophecy serve? It clearly doesn't turn atheists into believers.

[Frogmarch]

If anything right wing Christians and their preachers who are bring about the end of the world. With their obsession with money and power ripping the world apart for what they can get.
All the preachers are interested in is power then money and the way that they see to get it is to preach lies. Lies about the way this world was created-lies don't cost much and they bring in the punters.

No Jesus talked about becoming a fisher of men, right wing preachers cut holes in the nets with their lies so that many fall away/through. Then they talk about the "end times" while their politics rip the fragile world ecology apart.