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I really don't think so.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:50 am
by Heid the Ba
The Wingnut wants us to pledge allegiance to him and his heirs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:09 am
by Lianachan
Yes, that news was greeted here with swearing alright.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:35 pm
by Heid the Ba
Apparently we are also to chant "May the king live forever!".

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:21 pm
by Arneb
Video or it didn't happen.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:16 pm
by g-one
For those of us who already did to mumsly and her heirs & successors, are we covered? ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:45 pm
by Heid the Ba
Anyone who does this is dead to me.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:01 pm
by g-one
Interesting, I had thought anyone joining the RN (or other service branch) would have had to pledge, and therefore be 'grandfathered in', but apparently not so.
In this country, that was the requirement, so I must beg for an exemption from your death watch. :)

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:21 pm
by Lianachan
I gave a talk in Fort Augustus today, my usual stuff, military roads, yada yada, with a focus on “my” bit of road (that has its own thread here) and how I’d like the local community involved in my project and what they can do etc. Hands across heritage, all the good touchy-feely stuff.

Anyway.... while I was there, I noticed they had a wee A4 poster for my talk stuck to a door. I was amused by this, took a photo, and was even more amused to note that about 2 minutes later it was taken down (fair enough, I was already there) and was replaced by a poster for their coronation celebrations.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:26 pm
by Мастер
Wow, not even the US requires an oath of allegiance to the person.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 8:15 am
by Richard A
That, Mactep, is the difference between a monarchy and a republic. I don't suppose formal dinners in the US feature toasts to the President either - unless they're dinners of whichever political party has one of their own in the White House. Whereas a formal dinner here, not just in the military but in various other places, features the Loyal Toast - the first toast of the evening to "The King!"

Though we don't require our school kids to pledge allegiance to any aspect of the British state every Monday morning either. I wonder whether US conservatives realise that this is something their country has in common with China!

But to the main point. As those who read the link on Heid's post will have seen, traditionally it was the hereditary peers who swore allegiance at the coronation but no one else. Who are they? These are the members of the House of Lords who, as the name implies, get their title in the same way that the monarch got his - by being the eldest surviving child of the previous one. The first one of the line was granted their title by the monarch, generally centuries ago for service to the King (or sometimes as the King's way of providing for his illegitimate children), but more recently, some Prime Ministers continued the tradition for services to the party, either political or financial. Most of the Lords today have life peerages - their title dies with them - but there are still some of the hereditary ones around; at a conference last year, the chair of one of the sessions, explained to the international audience that you got a peerage either by appointment by the monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister or, he declaimed, "By Right Of Birth!" And yes, he was one of the latter.

The idea of getting the entire country to swear allegiance this time is supposedly to make it more democratic. I am not an ardent republican like Lianachan or Heid (although rest assured that I shall not be qualifying for Heid's death list either), but even I find that somewhat laughable.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 2:20 pm
by Lance
So if I do it, will it automatically make me a British citizen?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:49 pm
by Heid the Ba
Can't be arsed starting a new thread: Ginger No-longer-a-prince still wants all the benefits of being a prince, told to whistle. I'm sure his step-dad can rustle up the money if needs be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992