by rmercure » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:13 pm
Well, to those whose basements are full of iron maidens (mummified Margaret Thatcher) and other "enhanced interrogation" devices: I still maintain, all morality aside (wanna volunteer your kids or spouse) that the information obtained is garbage and information of equal quality can be obtained in better, more accurate ways. I think I noted already that John McCain voted against our torture legislation stating the same thing - that someone being tortured will admit to "anything" to stop the torture. Useless! And it's a truly cheap shot "if you were responsible for, etc." as this is first a almost religious guilt trip and second a variety of "I know and you don't ignoramous!" Well I don't have personal experience as a torturer (other than tickling my younger brother when we were young) but I'm a reference librarian's son, I grew up in libraries, I read voraciously and constantly and get absolutely none of my information from commercial television - especially the neo-nazi Fox network which has been caught in so many out right lies I'd be embarassed to work there. No, I'm not a paranoid sadist who believes and useful accurate information is generated by the physical, emotional, and mental degradion of other humans and I'll publically challenge "anyone" to produce documentation that demonstrates that torture derived information is of good quality and not simply parroting what the torturer wants the victim to say!!! Any study or analysis coming from the DOD, NSA, CIA, and other "clandestine" sources is by nature contaminated - and that's much of the trouble, no one with a neutral view point, even with appropriate security clearance, is allowed to review the torture system - anyone doing such research would slant it in fear of losing their security clearance and "whistleblowers" disappear from site. The mafia has a superior moral code - at least they have one! While the clandestine torture machine reports to no one, thus no one can make an honest unbiased decision.
Do you whip you dog, beat you spouse, chain your kids upside down, plant bugs on your neighbors, tap your office phone lines? Might as well - if you believe in this medieval shit now that you've lost the outlet the Inquisition provided you'll go out and find your "witches" somewhere - it's the nature of paranoids!!
So, as we say in the hills, "put up or shut up" - I've got sufficient support that torture is ineffective and inefficient and degrading to the individuals on boths sides of the water board - if you can prove something do so (or are you afraid your Nazi buddies will turn on you). Bet you believe in land mines that look like toys also!
Rob
"Hell Buddy, What's time to a hog?"