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China taken over our markets?

Postby Enzo » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:34 am

Interesting report from the SanFrancisco Federal reserve.

While the man on the street seems to think everything we buy is from China...

2.7% of goods and services bought for personal consumption in the USA were from CHina. 88.5% of US spending last year was on American-made goods and services

Services being an important factor. Two thirds of spending is for services, which are mostly local.

Most food is domestic production.

ABout half the petroleum we use is imported, but very little from China.

Foreign made products are most prevalent in durable goods - cars, furniture, appliances. About one thrid of durable goods purchased last year were imported, but only 12% from China.
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Postby Мастер » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:45 am

The man on the street seems to think all kinds of things; some of those things are even true!

Last time I checked, the value of goods manufactured in the United States was larger than the value of goods manufactured in China. The big difference was, those things manufactured in the US tended to be high-value, technologicially sophisticated stuff, whereas much (although not all) of Chinese manufacturing is cheap stuff.

One of the consulting firms is predicting that within a few years, the cost advantage to manufacturing in China relative to the US will have disappeared. This prediction is based on extrapolation of productivity growth and wage growth in the two countries. Wages in the US will still be much higher, but productivity in the US is also higher. So the forecast is, the cost advantage will disappear. We'll see if this prediction comes true.

Another thing the man on the street knows is that the US runs a trade deficit because of unfair trade practices, mostly perpetrated by those who refuse to recognise that good jobs are for white-skinned people, not yellow and brown subhuman animals. Let's think that one through. What is called the "National Income Equation" for a closed economy (no trade) is

Y == C+I+G

Y == National Income
C == Consumption
I == Investment
G == Government Spending

That which is produced (Y, "National Income") may be consumed (C), invested, (I), or spent by the government (G). No other choice. If the government wants to spend more, then there are only three ways to do it - increase production (Y), decrease consumption (C), or decrease investment (Y). No choice. It can't expend resources that don't exist.

Now, when we have an open economy, there is another term, NX (net exports), which could be negative.

Y == C+I+G+NX

Now if the government wants to spend more, for example, with the same level of production (Y), consumption (C), and investment (I), there is way to do it - import goods. For example, some of the people who used to work producing consumption goods can be hired by the government to do whatever the government is doing instead. Now there are fewer consumption goods produced before, but they can be imported instead. Negative NX == trade deficit.

In the US in the 1970s, the savings rate was close to 10%. Before the recent financial crisis, it was slightly negative.

Y == C+I+G+NX

Y is the amount of stuff produced by Americans; C is the amount consumed by them individually, and G is the amount consumed by the government. A couple of years ago, we had

Y < C+G

Investment continued - new buildings are going up, new factories being built, etc. Where does it come from, since everything produced is being consumed, by either individuals or the government? It is imported. Deficit.

The US runs a trade deficit because Americans spend (either themselves, or through their government) more than they earn. It has nothing to do with how fair trade is. If they keep on spending all their money, look to more crying about the wicked perfidious Chinese. Unless some other suitable scapegoat is found.
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Postby wring » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:14 pm

Did they forget to factor in my rubber duck purchases?
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Postby Мастер » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:18 pm

wring wrote:Did they forget to factor in my rubber duck purchases?


Don't know. Those may well come from China.
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Postby wring » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:16 pm

Sez so, right on their rumps. Obviously the numbers are off, then.
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Postby Enzo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:52 am

Oh good lord, this woman buys rubber ducks by the gross. Boxes of ducks arrive on the porch all the time. Literally hundreds of ducks in these boxes. The trunk of her car is FULL of the damn things. I am surprised the Chinese have not sent a trade legation to visit.
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Postby wring » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:58 am

They were here last Thursday.
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Postby tubeswell » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:11 am

I got a lovely rubber duck the other day from wring. Reminds me - I got to post some pics of a few new household accessories to show you good folks...
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Postby wring » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:37 pm

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