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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:25 pm

Ah well, so much for Empire 2.0. Apparently some countries don't have happy memories of Empire 1.0. Who'd have thought it?
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:58 pm

Ah, to hell with them thankless uncultured darkies.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:05 pm

Arneb wrote:Ah, to hell with them thankless uncultured darkies.

Just spat some beer out when I read that!
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:14 pm

Give my regrets to the missus... :oops:
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba' » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:12 pm

India certainly doesn't care about us, and why should they?
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:21 am

Heid the Ba' wrote:India certainly doesn't care about us, and why should they?

Indeed. I'm not convinced that's a real news story, or site, though.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:02 pm

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:14 pm

Britains new quid could soon be become more obsolete than NATO:

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Richard A » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:28 am

Well, a Scottish referendum does seem inevitable and this time, it'll probably be a Yes. Arneb and I had this conversation a year ago. Whether May can delay it until 2019 has yet to be seen - she's certainly going to try. As for Wales, which earlier posts talked about, I think it will stay. They voted Leave (why is beyond me - they have even more to lose than the English) and even the referendum for the devolution they have now was only narrowly won. And Leanne Wood's a nice woman, but she's no Nicola Sturgeon. Northern Ireland - or, as many of my colleagues call it, the north of Ireland - ah, that's an interesting one. Best kept for another post.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:32 am

An additional touch: Given the certeainty of Brexit and having to juggle economic interests and a great appetite for territory in Gibraltar, the Spanish foreign minister said today that Spain would not veto EU membership of an independent Scotland. Your move, I.M. Mai.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:05 am

Arneb wrote:An additional touch: Given the certeainty of Brexit and having to juggle economic interests and a great appetite for territory in Gibraltar, the Spanish foreign minister said today that Spain would not veto EU membership of an independent Scotland. Your move, I.M. Mai.

Crap article - Spain hasn't dropped plans to veto Scottish EU membership, those plans have never existed. The Spanish position has always been very clear to anybody paying attention to the noises coming from Spain instead of the anti-independence media - no Scottish veto, and oh, about Gibraltar...
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:40 am

I wouldn't characterize the media I got this information from "anti-independence" :) I just linked to the Guardian article to have something in English.

But whichever way you see it, any hopes that Spain would do England's dirty work for them by keeping out an independent Sotland (hoy, Escocia, manana, Catalunya... :shock: ) are certainly weakened now, and that put i.M. Mai in yet another tight spot.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:43 am

Arneb wrote:I wouldn't characterize the media I got this information from "anti-independence" :) I just linked to the Guardian article to have something in English.

But whichever way you see it, any hopes that Spain would do England's dirty work for them by keeping out an independent Sotland (hoy, Escocia, manana, Catalunya... :shock: ) are certainly weakened now, and that put i.M. Mai in yet another tight spot.

They're actually talking about war with Spain now. I suppose that fits well with the Henry VIII methods they're going to use to put EU stuff into law. At least Scotland was independent in the days of Henry VIII and the armada and suchlike, so going back to those days isn't all bad.

My anti-independence media comment was more about our media over here - including the Guardian - who were using "Spain will veto your EU membership!" as a scaremongering tactic, despite Spain saying repeatedly and clearly that it wouldn't.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:47 am

The article I originally read also used the word "saber-rattling" to characterize Westminster's reaction. It's rather ugly, really.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:50 am

Arneb wrote:The article I originally read also used the word "saber-rattling" to characterize Westminster's reaction. It's rather ugly, really.

Yeah, can't get away from those fuckers quickly enough.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba' » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:06 am

The subtext here is that Gibraltar relies on the border crossing into Spain remaining open and free flowing. Spain has been agitating for the UK to give them Gibraltar back for decades. Thousands of British people work in Gibraltar but live in Spain and cross daily, thousands more visit Gibraltar as part of a trip to Spain or go there from the Costas as it is the only place to buy proper sausages and teabags, init. Because it is outside the Schengen area Spain can insist on ID checks etc. and can slow down crossings to glacial speeds very easily. If there is no agreement reached over the crossing then Gibraltar is fucked, regardless of what Tories or the Daily Express want.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba' » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:48 am

After Sturgeon it's lesbians all the way down . . .

Well not anymore, Kezia Dugdale has resigned as Labour leader, leaving a number of candidates none of whom seem more than party functionaries, and co-incidentally none of them are lesbians. Dugdale is apparently quite a nice person but a very shit politician who doesn't get on with Corbyn so Westminster Labour will try to bend the Scottish party to their will again which will fuck them up in Scotland for another few years.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:00 pm

The Scottish labour leadership options have been described as "a veritable who's-that? of Scottish politics".
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba' » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:10 pm

Very nicely put.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:32 pm

"March under One Banner" - how did this come off?
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:21 am

BBC up to it's old tricks again.

Headline on their news website last night:

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Headline for same story this morning:

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I'd be interested to hear their explanation for the change.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Enzo » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:28 pm

A big paper clip character came up on the screen and said: "You seem to be writing about political strife..."
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