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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lance » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:40 pm

I think most of us would be happy to help if you guys can cover the air fare.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:29 pm

If Lianachan does Perth upwards and anyone else can chip in with Wales that would be great. Just any old order, don't worry about doing them alphabetically or anything.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:31 pm

Heid the Ba' wrote:If Lianachan does Perth upwards and anyone else can chip in with Wales that would be great. Just any old order, don't worry about doing them alphabetically or anything.

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lance » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:49 am

We could always close down the forum and move to Facebook.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:13 am

I would guess that there is, as we speak, a conspiracy to try to stop this. Whether the conspiracy succeeds or not is another thing . . .

Cameron cannot remain PM and repudiate the referendum result, so if it's going to happen, it has to be someone else. He will be resigning, not immediately, but in October, and we has not formally notified the EU of the UK's decision to withdraw, he will leave that to his successor. If he plans to respect the referendum result, why notify the EU immediately? I can see why he doesn't want to resign immediately, they need to time to figure out how to get someone other than Boris Johnson to be PM. But no reason not to notify the EU straight away (and even the EU has advised the UK to do so without delay).

Sturgeon (why do they always have fish names?) has no doubt spoken with Cameron, and informed him (if this did not already occur before the referendum) that if he doesn't find some way to fix this, Scotland is leaving, and he will be remembered as the PM who destroyed his country. Cameron's ambitions, if they ever were to be remembered as a great prime minister, have surely been scaled down to trying not to be remembered as the Mikhail Gorbachev of the UK.

Perhaps there are intra-party machinations to bring in a new PM who publicly promises to repudiate the result, hold a second referendum, or something like that. Or a general election, although of course the Tories would like to avoid that.

There is some chatter that Sturgeon is trying to negotiate a deal where Scotland can remain in the EU without leaving the UK, much like Greenland and the Faroes are not EU members, but their colony north of Germany is. I don't see how they can have that without having passport checks on the border between Scotland and England though.

So my guess is, Cameron et al. haven't given up the fight yet, but it won't be easy to win now.

And I will definitely be cheering for New Zealand when they play Wales 105 minutes from now.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:11 am

I think you are completely correct, and that the Article 50 announcement will be strung out as long as possible.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:23 am

From what I have been able to find, the Article 50 notification is irrevocable, and once it is made, the game is over. But perhaps there is a way to subvert it.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:33 am

Lance wrote:We could always close down the forum and move to Facebook.

Would that be better for you?
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:35 am

Мастер wrote:From what I have been able to find, the Article 50 notification is irrevocable, and once it is made, the game is over. But perhaps there is a way to subvert it.

I think you are correct, but I suspect there will be long drawn out negotiations before the notification is made. Sturgeon and Khan agitating to be part of the negotiations, for example.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:59 am

And now the evil leave-voting Welshies are ahead of the All Blacks.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:01 am

Well, not any more.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lance » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:57 pm

Heid the Ba' wrote:
Lance wrote:We could always close down the forum and move to Facebook.

Would that be better for you?

No, not really. We would have to give up a lot. I was joking more than anything.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:14 am

From a friend's facebook:

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:49 am

Outstanding work.

An email from a friend in Newcastle this morning:

"So we're both looking for jobs in Scotland, if you know of any. Needless to say My Beloved has a better shot than I do but we are moving - fuck living in Farage's England!
And fuck all these 'keep calm and carry on' motherfuckers! They drove the bus over the cliff without any clue of how far down we will fall, and they hope the bus might have wings? Fuck them!
Still fuming at the fucking English and their racism and xenophobia.
How are you today? It's sunny out."

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lianachan » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:57 am

I like your friend already.

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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:00 pm

I should also point out that the man who thinks the English are racist lived in Georgia for ten years . . .
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:39 pm

A nice dissection of what Brutus Johnson had to say about Leave`s victory can be found here.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Indeed. I do like the way he keeps claiming we'll have all the benefits of the EU but none of the liabilities. A bit like building a wall and getting the Mexicans to pay for it.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Мастер » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:22 pm

So while Arneb travels freely between Pankow and Charlottenburg, a privilege Berliners have now enjoyed for more than a quarter of a century, there may be checkpoints between Drogheda and Newry, or perhaps even between Edinburgh and Newcastle.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:32 pm

Yes! They TAKE BACK their country from the claws of the evil Brussels empire!
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Enzo » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:06 pm

So if the roots of a new freedom grow on English soil, would it be a Brussels Sprout?
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Arneb » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:17 pm

Those will be treated as pests in the future.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby tubeswell » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:25 am

Enzo wrote:So if the roots of a new freedom grow on English soil, would it be a Brussels Sprout?


But there must be wurst things to eat with your veggies.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Enzo » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:19 am

Our veggie is running for president.
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Re: On to the Scottish referendum

Postby Lance » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:26 am

Huh?

Oh, the carrot guy?
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