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Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfoolery

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:03 pm

The prosecution service in England has been pushing for a secret trial for two suspects, referred to as AB and CD. The English Court of Appeal has turned this down. There are very strict restrictions on what can be reported and much of the trial will be in camera for what I assume are reasons of national security or to protect other operations. I have no problem with these restrictions, what I had a real problem with was a trial without a jury, in secret, of someone who was not identified, and with no record of what s/he was charged with.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lianachan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:09 pm

You may be interested in the Another Angry Voice blog. He's had plenty to say about that, and about pretty much every other bit of political fucknuggetery in the UK. He's a Yorkshireman, and has occasionally discussed Scottish independence (he's for it).
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:38 pm

I'll have a look at that later.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Мастер » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:12 pm

Glad to hear you people still have laws and courts and trials and those sorts of thing - in the Anglosphere these days, I'm not always sure.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:26 pm

Unrelated, other than being a bit legally: there is an enquiry into kiddie fiddling, corruption and non-specific bumfoolery in parliament, the justiciary and the Civil Service in the 1970s and 80s. Apparently several dossiers were handed to various politicians all of which have gone missing without being acted on. So who would you get to head up the enquiry? Only a woman whose family were judges, civil servants and politicians during that period, with her brother being one of the Attorneys General who didn't act. She does not see any conflict of interest about her investigating her family and friends but has now agreed to stand down.

In her defence in her day she was a very good judge and headed several other enquiries but I suspect her best days are long behind her, as evidenced by her taking this job in the first place.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:58 pm

So the first suggestion to chair the enquiry washed out to be replaced by another lawyer with close links to the politicians, judges etc. who ignored the evidence at the time.

Given that any likely chair will have these problems would it not be simpler to bring in an English speaking judge/lawyer from another country? Which admittedly would narrow it down to every judge/lawyer in Netherlands, Scandewegia, Eire, the US, Canada, NZ, RSA, Australia, and about half those in Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, etc. Twats.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lianachan » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:40 pm

Nothing much to add here, other than I've only just noticed your use of the quite wonderful phrase "non-specific bumfoolery" and felt I absolutely must congratulate you on it.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:06 pm

I'm trying to get it adopted as a legal term of art, but the need for it doesn't arise terribly often in my line of work.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:53 pm

Anyone fancy chairing an enquiry? Ideally someone who isn't friendly with or related to those being investigated?
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lianachan » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:06 pm

I'll do it when it's my turn. Probably only be in a few weeks.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:10 pm

You just want to say "non-specific bumfoolery" in an official setting.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lianachan » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:13 pm

I've not managed to drop it casually into any meetings as yet, but I'm not nearly finished trying.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:54 pm

The initial review into whether records were destroyed has come to no conclusions since all records have been destroyed. The records specifying how and why the original records were destroyed have also been destroyed, as have the records recording the reasons for the destruction of those records. As there are no records there is no reason to discuss why there are no records. This is double plus ungood.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Мастер » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:01 pm

It looks like our topic has mutated, as it is now discussion of a cover-up of suspected pedophilia. Since the alleged victims were not American, that wouldn't count as terrorism, would it?
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:42 pm

The OP was about terrorism, the later posts aren't and I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims. Perhaps a title change to "Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfoolery" would reflect this?
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:20 pm

Oh, that's interesting - I was able to change the thread title as requested - but as of yet, the post headers still reflect the original title.

Edit: Ah - never mind, then, it's an automatically filled subject line. Posts from now on will reflect the new thread title.
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:21 pm

The first and last posts are showing the new thread title, the rest are still showing the old.

Thanks for the change.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lianachan » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:28 pm

Heid the Ba' wrote: I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims.

*cough* Rotherham *cough*
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:30 pm

Modern stuff yes, but this enquiry is into middle class white folks in the 1970s and 80s. I'm sure they can explain the negative effect Rotherham had on my house value.
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:31 pm

For the avoidance of doubt we are using the UK definition of "bum" and not referring to tramps, hobos or other gentlemen of the road.
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Мастер » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:13 pm

Rough sleepers.
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Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

Postby Lance » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:44 pm

Heid the Ba' wrote:The initial review into whether records were destroyed has come to no conclusions since all records have been destroyed. The records specifying how and why the original records were destroyed have also been destroyed, as have the records recording the reasons for the destruction of those records. As there are no records there is no reason to discuss why there are no records. This is double plus ungood.

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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Heid the Ba » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:19 pm

I had forgotten that. And the llamas. :) :-) :smile:
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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:58 am

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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

Postby tubeswell » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:41 am

So would this be about Rolf Harris and the other kiddie fiddler?
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