Illuminati-R-Us

The prosecution service in England has been pushing for a secret trial for two suspects, referred to as AB and CD. The English Court of Appeal has turned this down. There are very strict restrictions on what can be reported and much of the trial will be in camera for what I assume are reasons of national security or to protect other operations. I have no problem with these restrictions, what I had a real problem with was a trial without a jury, in secret, of someone who was not identified, and with no record of what s/he was charged with.

You may be interested in the Another Angry Voice blog. He's had plenty to say about that, and about pretty much every other bit of political fucknuggetery in the UK. He's a Yorkshireman, and has occasionally discussed Scottish independence (he's for it).

I'll have a look at that later.

Glad to hear you people still have laws and courts and trials and those sorts of thing - in the Anglosphere these days, I'm not always sure.

Unrelated, other than being a bit legally: there is an enquiry into kiddie fiddling, corruption and non-specific bumfoolery in parliament, the justiciary and the Civil Service in the 1970s and 80s. Apparently several dossiers were handed to various politicians all of which have gone missing without being acted on. So who would you get to head up the enquiry? Only a woman whose family were judges, civil servants and politicians during that period, with her brother being one of the Attorneys General who didn't act. She does not see any conflict of interest about her investigating her family and friends but has now agreed to stand down.

In her defence in her day she was a very good judge and headed several other enquiries but I suspect her best days are long behind her, as evidenced by her taking this job in the first place.

So the first suggestion to chair the enquiry washed out to be replaced by another lawyer with close links to the politicians, judges etc. who ignored the evidence at the time.

Given that any likely chair will have these problems would it not be simpler to bring in an English speaking judge/lawyer from another country? Which admittedly would narrow it down to every judge/lawyer in Netherlands, Scandewegia, Eire, the US, Canada, NZ, RSA, Australia, and about half those in Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, etc. Twats.

Nothing much to add here, other than I've only just noticed your use of the quite wonderful phrase "non-specific bumfoolery" and felt I absolutely must congratulate you on it.

I'm trying to get it adopted as a legal term of art, but the need for it doesn't arise terribly often in my line of work.

Anyone fancy chairing an enquiry? Ideally someone who isn't friendly with or related to those being investigated?

I'll do it when it's my turn. Probably only be in a few weeks.

You just want to say "non-specific bumfoolery" in an official setting.

I've not managed to drop it casually into any meetings as yet, but I'm not nearly finished trying.

The initial review into whether records were destroyed has come to no conclusions since all records have been destroyed. The records specifying how and why the original records were destroyed have also been destroyed, as have the records recording the reasons for the destruction of those records. As there are no records there is no reason to discuss why there are no records. This is double plus ungood.

It looks like our topic has mutated, as it is now discussion of a cover-up of suspected pedophilia. Since the alleged victims were not American, that wouldn't count as terrorism, would it?

The OP was about terrorism, the later posts aren't and I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims. Perhaps a title change to "Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfoolery" would reflect this?

Oh, that's interesting - I was able to change the thread title as requested - but as of yet, the post headers still reflect the original title.

Edit: Ah - never mind, then, it's an automatically filled subject line. Posts from now on will reflect the new thread title.

The first and last posts are showing the new thread title, the rest are still showing the old.

Thanks for the change.

Heid the Ba' wrote: I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims.

*cough* Rotherham *cough*

Modern stuff yes, but this enquiry is into middle class white folks in the 1970s and 80s. I'm sure they can explain the negative effect Rotherham had on my house value.

For the avoidance of doubt we are using the UK definition of "bum" and not referring to tramps, hobos or other gentlemen of the road.

Rough sleepers.

Heid the Ba' wrote:The initial review into whether records were destroyed has come to no conclusions since all records have been destroyed. The records specifying how and why the original records were destroyed have also been destroyed, as have the records recording the reasons for the destruction of those records. As there are no records there is no reason to discuss why there are no records. This is double plus ungood.

I am suddenly reminded of the credits to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I had forgotten that. And the llamas.

So would this be about Rolf Harris and the other kiddie fiddler?