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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:59 pm

Maybe I should be more specific.

It is a good thing because
1, BoJo and his crowd have lied to the country, to Europe and to their colleagues so often, so relentlessly, so consistently, so ruthlessly and so without any hindrance by fact, standards of political reliability or by simple human decency that the more shit flies intio their face, the more kicks in the nuts they get, the better.
2, the facts of paragraph 1 being well-known, the House of Commons closed a loophole into no-deal Brexit land that MPs had every reason to believe BoJo would take: Have them accept the deal, then either slam past them a Brexit law full of deliberate unclarities, loopholes and inconsistencies (because it has to be through in two weeks) or grind the legislative process to a halt altogether and achieve no-deal through the backdoor. Letwin and his colleagues saw that and prevented it in the last moment. I wouldn't generalise to what Ian Blackford said, that you couldn't ever trust any Conservative - but I would certainly say you can't ever trust Boris Johnson and the ERG lot.
3, I may seem old-fashioned here, but three months might actually be better for the actual Brexit law than half a month. Laws made in a hurry are certainly keeping lawyers alive all over the planet (no disrespect to Heid and Richard_A), but they are rarely a good legislative solution to an actual problem.

There is one aspect in the law which I am not sure I find good: That the law allows for more time to legislate a referendum or to stop Brexit altogether. The UK has spent a lot of political capital in Europe, and doing a 180 on Brexit now, after it has paralyzed the Union for more than three years, might completely eradicate what is left of it. There is a lot of of "OK, if you really must go, go. But let's get it over with now. NOW, please" sentiment in the EU, and I admit I share it to a degree. Stop Brexit now and you'll have JRM twanging his way through Parliament for the next 30 years telling everyone how the will of the people was betrayed and the Sun braying on about how every pothole in the country roads (and there are many) is Junckers', Merkel's and the bloody Eu foreigners' fault because they are bleeding us of all the money our hard-working taxpayers earned and which we could use ourselves etc. Maybe Britain really has to go through this in order to see what it's gonna be missing. And maybe it will need the Scottish people to say we'd rather be with the Europeans than with you to make even has-been Imperialists and Little Englanders see they miss a lot just standing on the sidelines.

Maybe Brexit should happen now and we should go from there. The EU will always allow for Bre-entry.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby g-one » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:50 pm

Arneb wrote:There is a lot of of "OK, if you really must go, go. But let's get it over with now. NOW, please" sentiment in the EU, and I admit I share it to a degree.

Do you think there is enough of this sentiment that the EU will deny the extension?
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:40 pm

No way. We are looking at the ultra-slomo train wreck in awe and helplessness. We had this a few pages up, and basically we all agreed that no-one in the EU wants to be the asshole who pushes the UK over the cliff.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:11 am

The EU would like the UK in because we are net contributors and the second largest economy. They just can't be arsed with all the nonsense that comes with it. And they remember that Pig Fucking Davie screwed more concessions out of the EU only a couple of months before he called the referendum.

Meanwhile, we're back at the Court of Session, again.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:40 am

That is, of course, true, but also - and maybe more importantly -, we like the UK in because we believe that we are stronger the more we are, the closer we are, the more diverse we are and the fewer countries on the sidelines, the better. The UK is rich and a large economy hungry for labour, but it is also a country that added a different perspective and different traditions towards the mix. I hope to see you Scots back soon.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:16 pm

Yes, and all that too.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby g-one » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:41 pm

Depending on what happens next November, we might want in too.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:10 pm

You guys kept Trudeau going, for better or worse. Hopefully, we get our shit together and give 45 the heave-ho sooner or later.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby tubeswell » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:59 am

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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Richard A » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:47 pm

And meanwhile BoJo and his crew cry ever louder about the "broken Parliament". (No, Boris, the British people declined in 2017 to elect the large numbers of hard Brexiteers you wanted them to.) Given BoJo's love of hankering after Britain's glorious imperial past, it kind of reminds me of the song to the House of Peers in Gilbert & Sullivan's Iolanthe. You only need to subsitute "Parliament" for "House of Peers" and "honourable members" for "noble statesmen" and you pretty much have how BoJo, Javed and now Kwasi Kwarteng see it.

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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:34 pm

So as I understand it, our highland and lowland friends are still in the EU, and BoJo is not dead in a ditch.

(Written with the "Highlander" sign within sight - one of you knows what I'm talking about.)
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:44 pm

I think agreeeing to fresh elections was risky. they should have scheduled the election for a date after Brexit to have the agreeement legislation in the clear. The way it is, if Britain elects a rabid Brexiteer majority, they can still get their hands on the Brexit terms.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm

The English media in a nutshell, can you spot the difference between the headline and the subhead, from The Grauniad:
"UK flood warnings in place across Britain after further rainfall"
"Environment Agency posts 147 warnings in England and Wales after heavy downpours"
For the avoidance of doubt there are no warnings in Scotland, and the Environment Agency only covers England. It no longer covers Wales.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:45 pm

Мастер wrote:(Written with the "Highlander" sign within sight - one of you knows what I'm talking about.)


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