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Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:46 am

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37369917

This is coming from the EU side, not the UK side, but is Brexit going to be like Turkish membership in the EU?
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:02 am

Yes, I think that sums it up. Delay until the German elections, then something in the spring and so on.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:46 am

I wonder when IM Mai will start the two-year clock. Brexiteers will put a lot of pressure on her. OTOH, two years isn't a lot of time when you want to lay the contractual foundation of Europe's second largest economy with (by and large) the rest of the continent except Russia and its cordon sanitaire. To waste the first 11 months of a two year period in order to wait for Germany's next gubmint to have settled in is high-risk.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:31 am

I think they're hoping that everybody will forget about it and it will just go away.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:24 pm

Yeah, with no Nigel Barrage to remind them anymore, I can see how they want to do it.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Richard A » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:38 pm

Well, May has a lot on her plate - not least a constitutional challenge in the Supreme Court (not bad for a country that doesn't actually have a written Constitution as such!) over whether she needs Parliamentary approval for Article 50. Winning over the British electorate, well, this is the country that, with one of the worst football teams in Europe (no gloating Heid, yours isn't a lot better) produced Vindaloo! (By the way, doesn't one of the guys making faces in the video remind you of Donald Trump?) But winning over the majority of MPs could be another matter! Maybe she's worried about exactly who it is who are "gonna score one more than you".
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:40 pm

Nicely put but our team is comfortably worse than yours. We just haven't had a song since 1978.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:07 am

Well she's announced a date so we're out of the EU in two and a half years with the Hard Brexit no-one voted for. Hooray!
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:28 am

Heid the Ba' wrote:Well she's announced a date so we're out of the EU in two and a half years with the Hard Brexit no-one voted for. Hooray!

That'll teach those bloody foreigners.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:38 am

Journalist and ex-BBC radio presenter Lesley Riddoch's view:

SO Theresa May is heading for the centre-ground – but the centre ground of what? The Tory leader did not bother to specify. Clearly though, it matters. Big-time.

As London-based political parties and commentators never fail to forget, there is no single nation in the UK – there are four. There has probably been no single, default “national outlook” since the Treaty of Union was signed three centuries back – just a weary acceptance within outnumbered Scotland that there was little point arguing.

But north of the Border there’s been a quiet centuries-long awareness that Scots have a different way of doing things, a different set of institutions and voting patterns, a different attitude to the place of the market in society – indeed a stubborn belief there is such a thing as society – despite Mrs T.

Scots have long had a different conception of left and right wing and therefore a totally different idea about what constitutes the middle ground. Until the vote to establish the Scottish Parliament we just didn’t know if that distinctive political outlook mattered enough to shout about. It does. And – after indyref1 – it always will.

Even David Cameron recognised this with his “respect” agenda until Holyrood’s social democratic tilt became too darned ickety to contain within Dave’s deeply marketised Britain. We know Scotland and England have been two ships drifting in opposite directions for decades. Crosswinds now drive us further apart and they blow straight from the Tory Party Conference in Birmingham – an event which will be remembered as the time and place indyref2 became a dead cert. It was the conference in which every phrase uttered by Theresa May contained near unbearable volumes of hypocrisy and doublespeak.

First came her Odysseus-like quest for the centre ground of that mythical tribe called the Britons – Scots know fine well that the Tory leader could no more hit the centre ground of Scottish politics than the former Chancellor Osborne could count on a warm welcome anywhere outside the City of London.

Second came the breath-taking claim that she’d “never allow divisive nationalists to undermine the precious union.” I suppose you have to cut Theresa some slack – she was trying to distract the party faithful from the falling pound and the prospect of financial turmoil ahead as more banks quit a Brexiting London. And, of course, the woman renowned for her kitten heels had to appear more bullish than her warm-up act and possible successor, Ruth Davidson. But putting the blame on the SNP for breaking up Britain – purlease.

If any UK government since the First World War had possessed the courage to follow through with home rule, the current head of steam over long denied differences might have failed to develop.

If any UK government since devolution had taken Scottish opinion seriously and not for granted, lifelong supporters of independence would not have been joined by tens of thousands despairing of a rational redistribution of power within the United Kingdom.

If Theresa May means to deny Scots a second independence referendum no matter what unwanted change and catastrophe her government’s cack-handed handling of the European referendum visits upon this northern nation of Euro-philes, she is stoking up a fight she cannot ultimately win.

But friends, there was more.

She talked also of the “quiet revolution” of the Brexit vote – ah the exquisite irony. The revolution for her was being on the wrong side yet managing to snatch the Tories top job. The revolution for England was voting to re-establish its fond fantasy of “splendid isolation” instead of just talking about it endlessly.

The revelation for Scotland was discovering we held firm to the ideal of a larger European identity and could resist the xenophobic, scaremongering, suspicious and occasionally hateful tones of Brexiteers.

As for Theresa’s claim that “only the Tories will stand up for the weak... stand up to the powerful,” I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I doubt if even voters who backed Ruth Davidson in May find any real resonance in those hollow words.

As Home Secretary, Theresa May’s policies have split up an estimated 33,000 families because they didn’t earn enough, she refused to time limit the detention of asylum applicants and she refused to take part in any EU relocation or resettlement scheme. More than that – Theresa May is likely to go into the next election pledged to withdraw Britain from the European convention on human rights – making us the only European country in the same position as the pariah state of Belarus.

Nasty. Very nasty, no matter what support the new Tory leader has given to specific causes.

And of course, there’s the latest – Theresa May’s Tories are now peddling myths about foreigners taking British people’s jobs to justify a shameful new immigration crackdown. Under the plans, outlined by her Home Secretary Amber Rudd, firms employing from abroad might be forced to somehow “ensure” that foreign workers don’t take jobs “British people could do”.

It is racist, counter-productive and unnecessary – even business groups are outraged.

All of this will make many No voters very uncomfortable. Because there’s no disguising the fact that Ruth Davidson, Theresa May and the Conservative Party – not Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and Labour – are now the face of the Union.

This week laid bare the gut instinct of Theresa May’s Tory Party – and it’s nasty, nasty, nasty.

Scots who dislike this right-wing agenda now know everything they need to know. Despite all the promises and talks, the warm words and panicked journeys north – Scotland is out of sight and out of mind again. And Theresa is ultimately playing into Nicola Sturgeon’s capable hands.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:12 am

At the risk of swapping brevity for clarity: they're cunts, just a shower of fucking cunts.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lance » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:36 pm

Is there any way out of Brexit, or is it a done, irreversible deal?
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:38 pm

Lance wrote:Is there any way out of Brexit, or is it a done, irreversible deal?


You mean, other than:

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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lance » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:52 pm

Well, yeah.

But he's probably available. Mel Gibson hasn't been very busy since he outed himself as an asshole.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:28 pm

Lance wrote:Is there any way out of Brexit, or is it a done, irreversible deal?


Technically, there is a simple way out. The UK government has not officially notified the EU of their intent to withdraw, so no Brexit has occurred yet. If they never provide notice, it will never occur. Whether they can do that and survive politically, after having a public referendum on the topic, is another question.

Once notice is given, according to the EU rules, it is irreversible. There is a negotiation period, not to exceed two years, during which the withdrawing states new relation with the EU is negotiated. If no agreement can be reached, then at the end of the two years, the withdrawing country leaves all EU agreements - no free trade, no free movement of people, no nothing.

I suppose the EU could violate its own rules, and reverse the irreversible withdrawal, if the UK should decide they wanted to stay in after all; probably that would take unanimous agreement among the other 27 countries.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lance » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:32 am

Thanks! I appreciate the explanation.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:37 am

Of course all it takes would be one major player in the EU to drag its feet and refuse to ratify any new agreement and we're pissing into the wind with no agreement at all after the two year period. Those countries who want to reduce the power of the EU have every incentive to stick it to use to make their own points, and many EU members were rightly pissed off when Davie Pigfucker extracted more concessions earlier this year.

Politically the Tories (despite their centrist talk) are moving to the right to absorb UKIP so they have to go through with it, barring a revolt by some of their MPs.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:03 pm

And that major player would appear to be M. 'ollande of France. And I understand that Mutti made a similar speech yesterday.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:16 pm

Hardly a surprise that other countries might not be very pleased about somewhere that has essentially just replaced all foreign policy with the phrase "bloody foreigners".
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:20 pm

And who described their citizens who live in Brexitonia as bargaining chips.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lance » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:29 pm

Lianachan wrote:"bloody foreigners"

I wish it were that easy here. We call them so many different things it's hard to keep up sometimes.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:34 pm

Heid the Ba' wrote:And who described their citizens who live in Brexitonia as bargaining chips.


Ah, did they? I had thought they were only talking about those filthy european types who thought they were good enough to live in Hingland. I suppose it cuts both ways right enough.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:34 pm

Lance wrote:
Lianachan wrote:"bloody foreigners"

I wish it were that easy here. We call them so many different things it's hard to keep up sometimes.

It's all very easy for us here in Blighty now. Although I expect if I go to England I'll get more than the usual amount of abuse these days, so maybe there are still nuances or levels of foreignness.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:56 pm

Lianachan wrote:
Heid the Ba' wrote:And who described their citizens who live in Brexitonia as bargaining chips.


Ah, did they? I had thought they were only talking about those filthy european types who thought they were good enough to live in Hingland. I suppose it cuts both ways right enough.


Liam "The Pride of East Kilbride" Fox. If the bloody foreigners won't let our people live there we won't let bloody foreigners live here.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:18 pm

Lance wrote:
Lianachan wrote:"bloody foreigners"

I wish it were that easy here. We call them so many different things it's hard to keep up sometimes.


I thought you folks just called them "terrorists".
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