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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:26 pm

Мастер wrote:From the article here: https://www.ft.com/content/fde7616a-e6c ... 8452263daf

In the declining years of the British empire, some of its politicians flattered themselves that they could be “Greeks to their Romans” — providing wise and experienced counsel to the new American imperium.

But the Emperor Nero has now taken power in Washington — and the British are having to smile and clap as he sets fires and reaches for his fiddle.

Can't read the article from here without subscribing, but I must steal that last line and paraphrase it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:29 pm

Lance wrote:Can't read the article from here without subscribing, but I must steal that last line and paraphrase it.


Huh, that's weird - no problem at all here, and I don't subscribe.

Perhaps location based - if so, the opposite of the usual situation, where I can't read links other people post, based on my geography.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:36 pm

Yeah, it wants me to pay...
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:39 pm

Yeah, me too.
You can try pressreader and plug in part of the quote, it may give it to you.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:51 pm

No luck with pressreader, but I did a google search for the emporer nero sentence of the quote and was able to choose 'cached' from the google result. The cached page I can read.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:02 am

[Breaking News] The acting Attorney General has ordered the U.S. Department of Justice NOT to defend Trump's order barring and deporting Muslims.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:10 am

And now she's out of a job. The Great Orange Pussy has fired her.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:30 am

Lance wrote:And now she's out of a job. The Great Orange Pussy has fired her.


I can only assume she was all too aware of what was coming.

Not finding a whole lot about her or her positions, but Eric Holder apparently trusts her judgement. I certainly hope my judgement is never so bad that Eric Holder trusts it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Arneb » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:36 pm

Here is a rundown of DJTs first week in office. It comes in a man who is as right-wing as they get, or at least, as right-wing as they got when the Republicans last held power on the Federal level. He can be reliably put into the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice neocon triangle.

I agree with many points in this article, but judging from the last year or so, I really don't know where the man finds reason for his optimism that America will somehow get rid of DJT, maybe even ahead of time, through the resilience of her instittuions and citizens. I hope he is right, but I sure don't bet on it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:16 pm

Arneb wrote:It comes in a man who is as right-wing as they get, or at least, as right-wing as they got when the Republicans last held power on the Federal level.


I don't know that I'd say that. In some ways, I suppose. He shares some common ground with Bernie Sanders on some of his economic policies. A lot of the right-wingers in his own party seem to hate his guts.

Arneb wrote:I agree with many points in this article, but judging from the last year or so, I really don't know where the man finds reason for his optimism that America will somehow get rid of DJT, maybe even ahead of time, through the resilience of her instittuions and citizens. I hope he is right, but I sure don't bet on it.


The person who claimed openly that he had the right to kill anyone (and who often did) just left office with a 58% approval rating. That's not a vote share, where some of the support might be from "lesser of two evils" votes - it's an approval rating in a poll.

So what exactly would Donald Trump have to do to get booted out of office? Shoot someone on live television? Rape a teenage boy at a press conference? Bring back slavery? Launch a nuclear attack on Mexico?

If there is an attempt to kick him out, any bets on whether we'll see a Boris Yeltsin/1993 sort of situation?

During the Bush administration, the "Patriot Act" (America's Enabling Act) passed the house 357-66, and the senate 98-1. Drone Man won a Nobel Peace Prize. Around here, I've heard some Americans criticise the "War on Terror". They don't seem bothered by the 1.3 million or so innocent victims; in fact, they don't seem to have thought of the victims at all. They complain about how much it costs. Apparently, the people getting killed aren't the victims; the people who have to pay for the killing are the victims.

And now there is Trump. The US didn't stop Bush, they didn't stop Obama, why would they stop Trump?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:36 pm

Мастер wrote:And now there is Trump. The US didn't stop Bush, they didn't stop Obama, why would they stop Trump?

Bush only hurt the entire rest of the world. Trump is actually hurting us, the people we care about.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:55 pm

Get it up ye.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:17 pm

Hameed Darweesh, a former interpreter for U.S. forces in Iraq, emerged from an 18 hour detention at JFK - and promptly proclaimed the US to be the greatest nation in the world. I wonder what country would have been the greatest if you had asked him 20 years ago? I don't know if anyone asked him if he had been coerced to say such a thing, but I suppose his only answer would have been "no."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Arneb » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:55 pm

Мастер wrote:
Arneb wrote:It comes in a man who is as right-wing as they get, or at least, as right-wing as they got when the Republicans last held power on the Federal level.

I don't know that I'd say that. In some ways, I suppose. He shares some common ground with Bernie Sanders on some of his economic policies. A lot of the right-wingers in his own party seem to hate his guts.

Ah, thank you - I could only glean his attitude from the article and his bio.
Мастер wrote:If there is an attempt to kick him out, any bets on whether we'll see a Boris Yeltsin/1993 sort of situation?

It raises my hair with fear to even think about that.
Мастер wrote:Drone Man won a Nobel Peace Prize.

To be fair to the Nobel Committe, he got that when it wasn' all too apparent he would be Drone Man.
As for the last point, what Lance said. You know, its' rather normal to only see the evils of a situtation when you are n the receiving end. We have those neo-Nazi guys here who get all teary and righteous every year for the cruelty of the Dresden bombing. They are capable, with total conviction, to overlook that strike had a little intro of tens of millions of people murdered by those who they say Made Germany Great Again.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Arneb » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:15 pm

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Arneb » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:18 pm

:D
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The fun (and English) bit starts a minute or so in.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:21 pm

I'm going to head to our neighbourhood called "Holland Village" to see whether I can pick up a copy of Der Spiegel.

Although I think a similar cover for either of the last two would have been appropriate as well.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:41 pm

Arneb wrote::D
Watch on youtube.com

The fun (and English) bit starts a minute or so in.


A late-night talk show in The Netherlands had a similar video.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Halcyon Dayz, FCD » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:24 am

MM_Dandy wrote:A late-night talk show in The Netherlands had a similar video.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby tubeswell » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:42 am

Lest we forget

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/d ... b70dc0f646

Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes,
OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart
—you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?),
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:10 am

I've known a lot of very smart people. None of them have ever had a need to tell others how smart they are. Truly smart people don't need to.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:05 pm

Travel ban blocked.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38872680

So, although the president of the US retains the right to kill you, he apparently doesn't have the right to cancel your visa arbitrarily.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:54 am

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Copy procured. More than ten Trump dollars though :(
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lance » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:12 pm

[Breaking News]

CNN just reported that Donald Trump stated there are terror attacks constantly happening all over Europe all the time, from all the terrorist-refuges that are there. But we don't know about them here because our media is keeping it from us.

So first of all, my sincere condolences to all our European members for all these terrible tragedies.
And second, can you tell us about all these secret terror attacks that the entire rest of the world besides us know about?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:27 am

Lance wrote:[Breaking News]

CNN just reported that Donald Trump stated there are terror attacks constantly happening all over Europe all the time, from all the terrorist-refuges that are there. But we don't know about them here because our media is keeping it from us.

So first of all, my sincere condolences to all our European members for all these terrible tragedies.
And second, can you tell us about all these secret terror attacks that the entire rest of the world besides us know about?


Apart from a few details, this story is correct. The attacks are not in Europe, but in places like Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., and they are being carried out by the United States. But they do get very little media coverage.
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