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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Arneb » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:11 pm

I like this one even better. Yeah, courts are the ones who decide election, you're right Rudy. Yeah, haven't they always? Now come back into you're padded room, will ya. What are you doing in front of a goddamn garden center anyway? Yeeees, it's a classy hotel, Rudy, that's what it is. Oh dear, I sense a straitjacket for you before this evening is out, Rudy...

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby tubeswell » Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:10 am

Meanwhile Divorce looming
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:50 am

tubeswell wrote:Meanwhile Divorce looming


I don't know how many $$$ she gets, under what circumstances. I'm assuming she wants a lot of them.

She is already past the age where he normally trades in for a new model, but the whole presidency thing may have stuffed up the schedule.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:42 pm

I just released something.

My prediction of 306 for Biden, 232 for Trump, looks like it's holding up, although I made this prediction after the news media had called 44 states, so you probably shouldn't be that impressed.

But if it does, it is the mirror image of what happened in 2016.

Then, Clinton got 232 pledged electors, and Trump got 306. The final count was 304 for Trump and 227 for Clinton, because there were a total of seven "faithless" electors between the two candidates.

Although the election outcome is the mirror image in terms of electoral vote totals, the winning package of states is clearly different.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Richard A » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:12 pm

And there are ever more Downfall parodies - THE scene with new subtitles. Worth watching with the sound off. One particularly good one had the raging "Does nobody read my Tweets? Don't they have Twitter in Pennsylania?" And outside,"Don't cry, Ivanka. I'm sure you'll be able to keep the townhouse."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:01 am

Trump finally came out of his hidey hole today. Really appeared down trodden. Good. I am almost ready to exhale and say we may have just avoided a coup. he still has two months, and I fear a real scorched earth he plans to leave behind though.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:41 pm

Arneb wrote:I like this one even better. Yeah, courts are the ones who decide election, you're right Rudy. Yeah, haven't they always? Now come back into you're padded room, will ya. What are you doing in front of a goddamn garden center anyway? Yeeees, it's a classy hotel, Rudy, that's what it is. Oh dear, I sense a straitjacket for you before this evening is out, Rudy...


They're joking on twitter that the 'Four Seasons Landscaping' was just a start, and he may take it all the way to the 'Supreme Courtyard Mariott'.
I think Rudy has been so ridiculous he should probably be considered a gift.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby tubeswell » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:13 pm

So after Trump's inevitable string of failed law suits, does anyone have any idea how many criminal prosecutions he may be facing (e.g. for tax evasion)?

I'm guessing Biden will pardon Trump for all federal crimes (in order to try and keep the peace with the Republicans in the senate)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:55 pm

I think the SDNY is primarily interested in moving on state-level tax and fraud crimes. As Mactep pointed out, however, it's not clear how iron-clad those cases might be. There's also E. Jean Carrol's rape case and Summer Zervos's sexual harassment suit. And there's always a chance that he leaves office without a pardon, leaving him open to federal tax charges and election crimes, and possibly emoluments charges as well.

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Oh, and I don't know if it puts him at any risk, but it's a near certainty that the Trump Organization paid Ivanka both as an employee and as an advisor.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:58 am

Trump is under the impression, and has said so, that he can pardon himself before he leaves. I have heard legal talking heads on the commentary shows say it is likely true. I have heard scenarios where Trump quits a day before the tem ends and then-president Pence will pardon him. SOunds unnecessarily complex to me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:37 am

I was one of those speculators myself. I'm a bit torn between Trump thinking he doesn't need no stinking pardon, pardoning himself, and resigning before being pardoned by Pence. My thought was that Trump was so petty, he'd have Pence be the one to actually turn the office over to Biden. And if he's going to do that, anyway, why not have Pence pardon him? Plus, he may want to flee the country with or without a pardon, and in that case, it'd be easier for him to run away if he slips out in the middle of the night.

I think that there's a very good chance he either pardons himself, or has Pence do it. I think there's a decent chance he resigns. I think that the chances are pretty low that he leaves the country, though.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby tubeswell » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:09 am

MM_Dandy wrote:... flee the country ...


Wonder where to?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:35 am

No one wants him.

hard for him to slip away surrounded by secret service folks.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:52 am

I'm not aware of him having citizenship or residency in any country but the US.

He is a rather wealthy individual, and presumably would, had he not become president of the US, have no problem qualifying for the various investment-based citizenship or residency programmes out there. But if such programmes allow the government discretion in deciding which people to accept, and Trump has successfully pissed off the government of that country, well maybe it would be determined that he did not qualify.

He could try to apply for refugee status, preferably at a country that is "flexible" in what it considers a well-founded fear of persecution. (Unless Biden is stupid, and does something that causes people to think Trump really is subject to persecution. If he does to Trump what Trump did to Clinton, and gets crowds of people to chant "lock him up", would that qualify?)

Trump remains a US citizen, unless he takes steps to lose that citizenship, and therefore retains rights under the US constitution. The position of his own and the two prior administrations was that foreigners may be killed at the will of the government. Some administration officials (I forget whether it was under Bush or Obama) argued that "due process" does not mean "judicial process", and there is indeed a process involved when the US decides to assassinate someone. That sounds a bit tautological to me - isn't there a "process" any time someone is killed? They're not killed by magic. But since Trump is a US citizen, none of this applies (well, theoretically) to him. So the government would actually have to take him to court and prove he did something wrong if they want to incarcerate or execute him. Not like a foreigner, where you can just do it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Richard A » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:32 pm

Trump may not be a citizen of anywhere other than the US, but there's PLENTY of precedent for fallen leaders of State A finding a comfortable refuge in State B. And while I get the point about successive US administrations taking out foreigners at will, I really don't think Biden's going to order a drone strike in Trump's case. Not, at any rate, unless he (Trump) turns himself into the leader of a terrorist movement, which admittedly, given some of the craziness I'm seeing from his supporters on social media, can't be ruled out.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby wring » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:04 am

Enzo's smarter sister sent us this link- worth clicking around: https://djtrumplibrary.com/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:36 am

Richard A wrote:Trump may not be a citizen of anywhere other than the US, but there's PLENTY of precedent for fallen leaders of State A finding a comfortable refuge in State B.


Yes, but State B has to accept them. And if fallen leader of state A has made it his hobby while in office to annoy just about every other country in the world, well - his options may be limited.

Richard A wrote:And while I get the point about successive US administrations taking out foreigners at will, I really don't think Biden's going to order a drone strike in Trump's case.


Well, point there is, the US can’t, if they follow their own laws (something that has become increasingly dubious over time).

Richard A wrote:Not, at any rate, unless he (Trump) turns himself into the leader of a terrorist movement, which admittedly, given some of the craziness I'm seeing from his supporters on social media, can't be ruled out.


The Obama administration has argued that it has the right to kill even US citizens who are planning imminent attacks against the United States, and in fact has knowingly killed a US citizen this way, just before he was about to attack the United States while having breakfast in Yemen. His son, also a US citizen, was killed a few weeks later, and his eight-year-old daughter (also a US citizen), was killed by the Trump administration.

The courts in the US have ruled that citizens have all these nasty rights that foreigners don’t have, so Joe Lieberman has sponsored in the senate a bill that would allow the US to strip citizenship from people who have been determined administratively, not judicially, to have engaged in terrorism, or who are planning to engage in terrorism. This way, if US law prohibits killing of a citizen in a certain situation, you could take away the person’s citizenship first, so then you could kill them. Lieberman’s bill has not become law, though. At least not yet.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:27 am

Мастер wrote: Some administration officials (I forget whether it was under Bush or Obama) argued that "due process" does not mean "judicial process", and there is indeed a process involved when the US decides to assassinate someone.

It was the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who brought in "signature strikes" where any actions that have the signature of terrorist activities can trigger (pun intended) a strike. Unfortunately these can include driving in convoy (as everyone in Afghanistan does for practical reasons), hanging about on street corners (which could mean you are a lookout), standing in a group outside a mosque or madrassa.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:31 pm

Now everybody wants to get in on the act. :D

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:28 am

So tomorrow is Faithless Elector Day.

Seven in 2016, let’s see if that record can be broken!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:52 pm

Wall Street Journal Editorial Board calls for Trump to concede: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-cha ... 1607898467
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:33 pm

No faithless electors this year. Although, as reported by Politico:
In some states Trump lost, his would-be electors gathered in unofficial ceremonies that they said were necessary to preserve Trump's ability to continue legal challenges against the election results.


The next step is the joint congressional meeting on January 6 to count the electoral votes.

Meanwhile, AG Bill Barr has resigned his position, effective December 23rd. Word got out that he kept quiet about a DOJ investigation into Hunter Biden, instead of telling Congress about it in the days leading up to the election. I suppose he was holding out hope that Trump would get re-elected without his help, so he wouldn't have to get fired like Comey did.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:32 am

So we may recall a while back Trump was at one of our embassies in Europe and decided he liked a painting or something and took it back home with him. I forget the details. SO it occurs to me, he has no morals or ethics, I think we ought to inventory the White House. I would not put it past him at all to decide he really liked some painting or other objet d'art at the White House and steal it. "Hmm, I bet I could sell this for a million bucks..."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Мастер » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:24 am

MM_Dandy wrote:No faithless electors this year.


What a depressing level of conformity!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:49 am

Here in Michigan at the Capitol In Lansing, our electors met to cast their votes for Biden, and a group of republican "electors" tried to barge into the building to vote for Trump instead. They were met at the door by state police agents and not allowed access.


Elsewhere, Arizona maybe?, a group of Trump "electors" made copies - forgeries really, as they were official documents - of the elector vote results and sent them to the electoral college before the real electors met. The fake electors thought "Hah, we beat them to it." But officials were not fooled.
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