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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:33 am

Lance wrote:
Мастер wrote:As per previous hint, it is the most up-to-date data set I could find.

Where did you look?


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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:07 am

Arneb wrote:Road traffic deaths in the U.S., the outlier being 2001 due to everyone using highways instead of flying (then, the last dot is 2013)?


So, today being Sept 11, how about my guess?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:27 am

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Arneb wrote:Road traffic deaths in the U.S., the outlier being 2001 due to everyone using highways instead of flying (then, the last dot is 2013)?


So, today being Sept 11, how about my guess?


I missed your earlier post.

It is not road traffic deaths, but you are not all that far off now . . . looking for more direct effects than indirect effects.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:44 am

Deaths in the U.S. due to violent crime then?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:02 pm

Arneb wrote:Deaths in the U.S. due to violent crime then?


That's extremely close to correct.

It is murders (I guess there are deaths due to violent crime other than murder, although I'm not completely sure whether that is the definition used by my source). Deaths due to terrorism were not included, so I had to add them in separately. The only year in which that would have made a visually detectable difference was in 2001, the outlier that has been noticed. Note also that this outlier is still well below the level just a few years before, and for a while before that.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:35 pm

Мастер wrote:It is murders (I guess there are deaths due to violent crime other than murder, although I'm not completely sure whether that is the definition used by my source).

A lot of it is the way it's phrased. In some jurisdictions you have 1st Degree Murder, 2nd Degree Murder and 3rd Degree Murder. All considered murders. In other jurisdictions you have Murder, Voluntary Manslaughter and Involuntary Manslaughter. These are functionally the same but forgo the word "Murder". You also have, for example, a death caused by a drunk driver commonly referred to as Vehicular Homicide. A violent crime for sure, but still not a murder. All murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders.

So your comment about the definition being unclear is very on point.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:17 am

OK, here's the new one. I could go on and on about it, but let's first see if you find out what it means :D

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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:20 pm

Is the vertical axis, age?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:58 pm

Yup
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:36 pm

So I'd say its prevalence of some condition (perhaps being dead) at various ages.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:59 pm

No. Plotting the chart you describe, wouldn't age usually appear on the x-axis?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Мастер » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:08 pm

It would, although truth be told, I'm having difficulty thinking of any graph where you would have age on the vertical axis. Usually people know how old they are.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:24 pm

Interesting... If I tried to quote the message to bring the graph to this page it wouldn't show up. I had to do it as a new image.

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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:08 pm

Мастер wrote:It would, although truth be told, I'm having difficulty thinking of any graph where you would have age on the vertical axis. Usually people know how old they are.

Is that so odd? It shows age as a function of something. Like, the age you lose your virginity as a funtion of how many porn movies you've watched. if that were the graph (which it isn't, of course), people who had watched more than around 10,000 porn films would, by and large, have had their first sex at 70.

But you are right. It's not age, it's "age at which something happens". That something remains to be elucidated.

Lance, I uploaded the graphic through the normal "upload attachment" routine. When I did, it didn't behave strangely.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:15 pm

Arneb wrote:Lance, I uploaded the graphic through the normal "upload attachment" routine. When I did, it didn't behave strangely.

It's fine. It just seems odd to me that I can't quote it.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:44 pm

The age is really an age at which something VERY IMPORTANT happens.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:03 pm

Like, death?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:06 pm

Fuck yeah - it's life expectancy folks!
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:36 pm

But we still need the X axis, right?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:19 pm

Oh yes you do.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:58 pm

So do I interpret it correctly that, the more X they have the longer they live?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:59 pm

That would be so, yes.

And the line represents a best fit for the data points.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:26 pm

Does whatever 'X' represents actually have an 'x' in it?
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Arneb » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:49 pm

No.
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Re: Guess what the Graph Shows!

Postby Lance » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:08 pm

Damn! I was looking for a reason to convince Cyndi to have more X with me.
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