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Arneb wrote:

You and your smutty little brain you. I didn't even get what you were aiming at. No no, this is hard, tough social medicine.

Income?

Not quite.

Money spent on health care?

No. But both your guesses are in the general vicinity (and they are cerainly ancillary to the true parameter).

A very general measure is sought here. The number of dots is no coincidence, because that's all the data points you can take.

Countries rather than individuals? Life expectancy -v- per capita GDP?

That's it EXACTLY. It't the reason why the 200-odd data points in the graph aren't a sample, they are all there is.

I love the graph because it shows that we in te "West" are deeply into a region of diminishing returns: Above 10.000 per annum, the gains in life years from higher income become weaker, and with a GNP of, say, Kazakhstan, Brazil or Argentina, you can provide a health care system that is rather close to optimal in terms of the "hard currency" of medicine, life expectancy.

BTW, the U.S., spending the most per capita on health care in the world (>$ 8300 p.a., a third more than the nearest neighbour) is 34th in the world in life expectancy....

I don't know why these things are flying through my head. Probably because I am a socialist....

On to you, Heid!

Arneb wrote:That's it EXACTLY. It't the reason why the 200-odd data points in the graph aren't a sample, they are all there is.

Still a sample

Arneb wrote:I love the graph because it shows that we in te "West" are deeply into a region of diminishing returns: Above 10.000 per annum, the gains in life years from higher income become weaker, and with a GNP of, say, Kazakhstan, Brazil or Argentina, you can provide a health care system that is rather close to optimal in terms of the "hard currency" of medicine, life expectancy.

BTW, the U.S., spending the most per capita on health care in the world (>$ 8300 p.a., a third more than the nearest neighbour) is 34th in the world in life expectancy....

I don't know why these things are flying through my head. Probably because I am a socialist....

On to you, Heid!

So what kind of ultra-crappy country has a life expectancy just above 30?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... expectancy

2013 WHO study puts Sierra Leone dead last, at 46; Lesotho is the next one up, at 50. A UN 2009-2012 study put a bunch right around 46 (Central African Republic bringing up the rear, at 45.91).

Could the graph be old? (Let's say, several decades old?) Or might it be male life expectance? The same link above shows a "Global Burden of Disease" 2010 study, which puts male life expectance in Haiti at 32.5 (female 43.6), but the next one up (male or female) are female in Haiti and male in Central African Republic, tied at 43.60.

The CIA list at the bottom of my linked page doesn't show any countries in the low 30s, male, female, or overall.

Hmm, come to think of it, if the graph is old, that would give us a problem with the units on the income axis. Unless it's denominated in Hong Kong dollars or something like that.

I think I'm going to move to Lesotho. I can be a wise, old sage there.

Do these things take account of all deaths? So life expectancy at birth might change wildly if your country turns to shit when you are 18.

Lance wrote:I think I'm going to move to Lesotho. I can be a wise, old sage there.

I could be an angry old man there. "Get off my patch of dirt and take your hippity hop music with you!"

Мастер wrote:

Arneb wrote:That's it EXACTLY. It't the reason why the 200-odd data points in the graph aren't a sample, they are all there is.

Still a sample

Of course, as I should have known...

Мастер wrote:So what kind of ultra-crappy country has a life expectancy just above 30?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... expectancy

2013 WHO study puts Sierra Leone dead last, at 46; Lesotho is the next one up, at 50. A UN 2009-2012 study put a bunch right around 46 (Central African Republic bringing up the rear, at 45.91).

Could the graph be old? (Let's say, several decades old?) Or might it be male life expectance? The same link above shows a "Global Burden of Disease" 2010 study, which puts male life expectance in Haiti at 32.5 (female 43.6), but the next one up (male or female) are female in Haiti and male in Central African Republic, tied at 43.60.

The CIA list at the bottom of my linked page doesn't show any countries in the low 30s, male, female, or overall.

I already forgot where I lifted the graph from. The Wikipedia page was my starting point, but I don't know where my track led me.

Heid the Ba' wrote:Do these things take account of all deaths? So life expectancy at birth might change wildly if your country turns to shit when you are 18.

Life expectancy is a highly derived figure. The definition says that it counts the years a newborn today would have in front of him/her IF all conditions remained equal to today's.

Can I jump in here with a quick one I just ran across until heid is ready?

^The top^ of one of the Giza Pyramids

That was quick.

Here it is with the key:

Heid, would you mind if tubes jumped in? You seem to have ben awfully short of graphs lately.

A little postscript on Mactep's last chart: Slate is discussing that the U.S. is really a very violent country, and they produce this graph - don't we know that one? It even shows the 9-11 bump, but all these interesting little fact get pasted over by very, very forceful smoothing of the curve.

Mental note: You can produce a line of best fit for ANY data...

I'm no good with graphs so anyone who wants can jump in.

Arneb wrote:A little postscript on Mactep's last chart: Slate is discussing that the U.S. is really a very violent country, and they produce this graph - don't we know that one? It even shows the 9-11 bump, but all these interesting little fact get pasted over by very, very forceful smoothing of the curve.

Feckin' awesome! I'm going to use that one. Many thanks (guess what German phrase gets changed to "Violin Dank" by the spellchecker?), this will be very useful.

Arneb wrote:Mental note: You can produce a line of best fit for ANY data...

And when you don't confine yourself to the rather limiting world of straight lines - the possibilities are endless.

Мастер wrote:... Many thanks (guess what German phrase gets changed to "Violin Dank" by the spellchecker?), this will be very useful..

tubes, it's your turn now, since Heid has abdicated his graphy throne.

Here's one:

Is the y-axis age?