Real Life Quotes

[Arneb]

Charles de Gaulle, claiming his force de frappe for himself?

[MM_Dandy]

Charles de Gaulle, claiming his force de frappe for himself?

Had to Google the reference - and I must say that that is a very reasonable guess, but not the answer that I'm looking for.

[tubeswell]

One of the soon-to-be ex-colonists prior to the US War of Independence?

[MM_Dandy]

One of the soon-to-be ex-colonists prior to the US War of Independence?

At the time that he wrote the quote, he was already an ex-colonist. However, he had gained quite the reputation for inciting the masses previous to the war.

[Мастер]

One of the soon-to-be ex-colonists prior to the US War of Independence?

At the time that he wrote the quote, he was already an ex-colonist. However, he had gained quite the reputation for inciting the masses previous to the war.

Can I ask for a clarification of this hint? Was he at that time an ex-colonist in the opinion of the (ex-)colonists, or in the opinion of the (ex-)colonisers?

[tubeswell]

Someone like Wee Willie Pitt the younger? or Benjamin Franklin?, or George Washington?

[MM_Dandy]

One of the soon-to-be ex-colonists prior to the US War of Independence?

At the time that he wrote the quote, he was already an ex-colonist. However, he had gained quite the reputation for inciting the masses previous to the war.

Can I ask for a clarification of this hint? Was he at that time an ex-colonist in the opinion of the (ex-)colonists, or in the opinion of the (ex-)colonisers?

He was an ex-colonist in the sense that any resident of the (ex-)colonies who was once a colonist became an ex-colonist once the colonies attained ex-hood. I'm not sure in whose opinion the status would differ.

Someone like Wee Willie Pitt the younger? or Benjamin Franklin?, or George Washington?

More like Ben and Georgie, less like Willie.

[Lianachan]

I've no idea - I know practically nothing about that part of the world in that time period.

[Мастер]

I'm not sure in whose opinion the status would differ.

Well, if I have my facts straight (and if we're talking about the same colonists), then the colonists considered themselves converted to ex-colonists in 1776, whereas the colonisers relinquished their claim to the former colonies in 1782 or 1783, depending on how you count it.

[MM_Dandy]

I'm not sure in whose opinion the status would differ.

Well, if I have my facts straight (and if we're talking about the same colonists), then the colonists considered themselves converted to ex-colonists in 1776, whereas the colonisers relinquished their claim to the former colonies in 1782 or 1783, depending on how you count it.

Ah, I see now. The quote was written after the Treaty of Paris, in regard to a matter concerning the new constitution, which the writer had opposed. In fact, he refused to go to the Constitutional Convention at all, and felt that the proposed amendments, and one in particular, would not be sufficient to keep the federalist government from becoming too powerful.

[Мастер]

Well, if I have my facts straight (and if we're talking about the same colonists), then the colonists considered themselves converted to ex-colonists in 1776, whereas the colonisers relinquished their claim to the former colonies in 1782 or 1783, depending on how you count it.

Ah, I see now. The quote was written after the Treaty of Paris, in regard to a matter concerning the new constitution, which the writer had opposed. In fact, he refused to go to the Constitutional Convention at all, and felt that the proposed amendments, and one in particular, would not be sufficient to keep the federalist government from becoming too powerful.[/quote]

OK, so he wasn't complaining about the British, he was complaining about the Americans.

Sounds like someone who would be for the second amendment to your constitution, but I'm trying to reconcile that with the description above. Maybe it wasn't worded strongly enough for him.

[Heid the Ba]

So if written today the quote would have been "MOar gunz pleez! kthxbai".

Or is that a different thread, transcribing famous quotes into something the youngs would write?

[Arneb]

You really think the young ones would say "please"? In my book you aren't jaundiced enough.

[Heid the Ba]

I may have transcribed it into lolcat rather than youthspeak, so you are probably correct.

[Мастер]

So if written today the quote would have been "MOar gunz pleez! kthxbai".

Or is that a different thread, transcribing famous quotes into something the youngs would write?

Need a bit of help with "kthxbai" :(

[Heid the Ba]

"Ok, thanks, bye." Apparently.

I had to google the Treaty of Paris as I know virtually nothing about this period. Not one that gets taught much over here.

[Мастер]

"Ok, thanks, bye." Apparently.

OK, I can see it now that you explain, but I couldn't before.

I had to google the Treaty of Paris as I know virtually nothing about this period. Not one that gets taught much over here.

Well, in the 1770s, a bunch of people in North America didn't want to pay their taxes, so they launched a terrorist attack on a tax collector's house, and started a violent, bloody rebellion. The rebellion was ultimately successful, and the government the rebels formed now uniquely imposes a global tax on their citizens and permanent residents, imposes a brutal economic embargo on them to collect taxes estimated at $105 per person per year, and threatens dire consequences to anyone who surrenders their citizenship or permanent residence (thereby escaping the embargo).

Nice country, eh?

[Heid the Ba]

I knew the very basics, Stamp Duty and all that, which is presently being revised in Scotland and the UK government amended it recently just to fuck with us.

[MM_Dandy]

After considering the situation a little more, I've come to the conclusion that he may have been arguing in favor of ratifying the 2nd amendment rather decrying its inadequacies, while still not in favor of the strong federal government defined by the Constitution and disappointed that the Bill of Rights would not be enough to protect the power of the states. By the time he died several years later, though, he had become aligned with the Federalist party.

Other clues:
From Virginia.
Was never elected President or Vice-President, never held a Cabinet position, and never served as a senator or representative in the U.S. Congress.
Did not sign either the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, or the Constitution.
He did sign the Articles of Association, however.
While this quote might not be so well known, there are two very well-known Revolutionary quotes attributed to him. However, it's almost certain that he never uttered one, and the other is based on the dim recollections of an eye-witness recalling the speech some years later.

[MM_Dandy]

Those other quotes were:

If this be treason, let us make the most of it!

(likely never actually said that) and

Give me liberty or give me death!

[tubeswell]

So we crossed Thomas Paine off the list already. Ummm

[Lance]

Patrick Henry?

[MM_Dandy]

Patrick Henry it is! During the speech where the "treason" line was later attributed to him, more contemporary sources cite him as apologizing for any treasonous remarks he may have made.

On to you, Lance.

[Lance]

I don't have time for their judgment and their stupidity and you know they lay down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and look at their loser lives and then they look at me and they say, 'I can't process it' well, no, you never will stop trying, just sit back and enjoy the show. You know?

[Arneb]

Going by the attitude, well: Justin Bieber? Or any other too-famous-too-early pop brat, like, Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, or the like?