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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:40 am

I hadn't heard of the Campania which apparently is still on the bottom, not that far from here.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:36 am

You could have been a bit more attentive, now couldn't you?
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:04 pm

I could. Thinking about it, I have caught the ferry from Burntisland to Edinburgh so may well have passed over the top of it.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:23 pm

Sorry, I meant "careful" ... :D
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:19 am

November 7, 1918 - Allied forces are continuing to thrust forward. Meanwhile, the Germans receive an appointment in a forest at Compiegne - this will be the place where the capitulation ios signed.
Bavaria is declared a Republic.
Assorted Civil unrest in the Reich.

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1944 - Franklin Roosevelt beats Thomas Dewey
1972 - Richard Nixon beats George McGovern
2000 - Well, we all know that one.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:55 am

Arneb wrote:November 7, 1918 - Allied forces are continuing to thrust forward. Meanwhile, the Germans receive an appointment in a forest at Compiegne - this will be the place where the capitulation ios signed.

In 1940 the Germans will drag the same railway carriage out of a museum to the same spot to make the French sign their surrender in exactly the same way the Germans signed the Armistice in 1918.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Hwy! I was planning to bring that up in 2040! Now you've all spoilt it. :glp-furious:
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:54 pm

Sorry. :oops:
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:20 am

8 November, 1918 - In Compiegne, the German delegation receives the conditions for the armistice and passes them on to Berlin
In what is now being called a revolution, mayories in 11 large German cities are occupied by workers on strike.

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1988 - George HW Bush over Michael Dukakis
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:58 pm

9 November, 1918 - The Kaiser abdicates the throne, and the Crown Prince his claim. As per the words of Philipp Scheidemann, Social Democrat, on the balcony of the Reichstag: Long live the German Republic!
Concerted action on the Western Front, Allied forces aim for maximum gaining of ground. In Compiegnes, the German delegation is instructed, by Ludendorff, to accept an armiscice at any conditions.

1938 Reichskristallnacht
1989 Opening of the Berlin Wall, albeit only in the direcetion of East to West.

9 November (9.11. in the German way of writing dates) is one of the few days in German history that, with their extremely mixed bad of things to commemorate, really reverberate wit me.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:53 pm

It certainly was a big day in a number of years.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:44 pm

10 November, 1918 - The German delegation at Compiegne are ordered (by the new Chancellor, Friedrich Ebert) to sign the armistice agreement in a transmission at 18:00 h. Meanwhile, there is still a lot of fighting going on. It's mostly taking back cities, and provisions and POW, but at Mons, the Canadaian 3rdt division encounters "suicidal" MG opposition and loses 264 men. A German coastal U boat sinks a minesweeper, with loss of 53 lives. And there is an attempt at an air raid in Cologne (fog, flak and clouds hinder them).

Three cultural things today, it's a lot, but not all, death and destruction_
1862 - Thomas Henry Huxley startes his lecture series to popularize Darwin's theory of evolution
1969 - First airing of Sesame Street
1983 - as student presents (yes, presents) the first computer virus on a Unix system.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lance » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:50 am

11 November, 1957 -

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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:50 am

Llama Birthday!
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:09 am

11 November, 1918: Armistice signed, all hostilities cease at 11:00 French Time (midday in Germany).

At the place where the famous railcoatch stood, there is a plaque inscribed:

Ici le 11 novembre 1918 succomba
le criminel orgueil de l'empire allemand
vaincu par les peuples libres
qu'il prétendait asservir.

Here on the eleventh of November 1918 succumbed the criminal pride of the German empire - vanquished by the free peoples which it tried to enslave.

We've all learned, meanwhile, that maybe this was a too triumphalist and victory-driven view, but maybe it shouldn't be a German insisting on it. However, I do like the text that was unveiled yesterday a lot better:

A l'occassion du centenaire de
l'armistice du 11 novembre 1918,
Monsieur Emmanuel Macron,
Président de la République Française,
et Madame Angela Merkel,
Chancelière de la République Fédérale
d'Allemagne, ont réaffirmé ici la
valeur de la réconciliation
franco-allemande au service de
l'Europe et de la paix.

On the occasion of the centennary of
the Armistice of 11 November, 1918,
Mr. Emanuel Macron, President of the French Republic,
and Mrs. Angela Merkel,
Chancellor of the Federal Republic
of Germany reaffirmed here the
value of the Franco-German
reconciliation in the service of Europe and peace.

Good Remembrance Day, everyone.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:30 am

Indeed, the new plaque is much better.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Lance wrote:11 November, 1957 -

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Re: On this day in history...

Postby g-one » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:36 pm

Arneb wrote:10 November, 1918 - The German delegation at Compiegne are ordered (by the new Chancellor, Friedrich Ebert) to sign the armistice agreement in a transmission at 18:00 h. Meanwhile, there is still a lot of fighting going on. It's mostly taking back cities, and provisions and POW, but at Mons, the Canadaian 3rdt division encounters "suicidal" MG opposition and loses 264 men. A German coastal U boat sinks a minesweeper, with loss of 53 lives. And there is an attempt at an air raid in Cologne (fog, flak and clouds hinder them).

I had never considered that some time elapsed before the armistice became binding (11th hour of 11th day).
This year they are talking about it here, perhaps because it involves a Canadian, but still impacted many others. The numbers from those last hours seem even more pointless.

"There is a sad aspect to the signing of the 1918 armistice. Instead of making it official immediately, it called for the fighting to end at 11 a.m., allowing hostilities to continue for another six hours.

More soldiers died on the last day of the First World War, than on D-Day in the Second World War. At 10:58 a.m, in a Belgium village about 230 kilometres north of the Glade of the Armistice, a sniper’s bullet would take the life of Pvt. George Lawrence Price of the Saskatchewan North West Regiment.

He would be the last Canadian soldier to fall in the war." https://globalnews.ca/news/4645949/reme ... tice-1918/
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:57 pm

The difficulty was spreading the word, without secure comms. And no-one wanted to stop if the other side kept fighting.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:31 pm

Heid the Ba wrote:The difficulty was spreading the word, without secure comms. And no-one wanted to stop if the other side kept fighting.

Yes, this. I’ve always thought the deaths in those last few hours were particularly tragic.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:15 pm

There are also recorded instances of units and individuals refusing to stop as they wanted one last crack at the Germans. Most just kept their heads down though. I suspect the greatest dangers to me on that morning would be digging in so deep the trench collapsed on me, or else combusting as I reached the Earth's core.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:19 pm

Totally agree. And hampered communication makes ist no wonder there is still war action on
November 12, 1918: Last battle on African soil, in Rhodesia. A Hauptmann Kohl has to yield a river crossing, of the Milina river, to the King's African Rifles.
In politics, we have Celebrations in Paris; a last rate of war loans (2.5 billions in today's punds) for demobilization projects in the UK; abolition of censorhip, the introduction of the 8-hour-work day, a broad amnesty, and General suffrage in Germany; and the founding of the German-Austrian Republic in Vienna, after everyone else (Czekoslovakia, the Balkans, Hungary, Poland...) have gone elsewhere.

German affairs:
1944 - The Tirpitz, Germany's largest battleship, capsizes after a severe bomber attack with loss of > 1200 crew.
1948 - the one and only gengerals strike in postwar West Germany, in the American/British bizone: for better wages, for the reintroduction of price controls, abolished after the introduction of the DM.
1955 - The new Bundeswehr's first corp of officers receive their papers. You will have no doubts that re-militariziration 10 years after WWII was a highly contentious issue, in Germany and abroad. Just in case, all German troops, no exceptions, were under NATO command from the beginning.
1992 Erich Honecker went on trial for the Schießbefehl (shoot-to-kill-order) that was valid ion the inner German borders for decades.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:58 am

November 14, 1918:
Germans blow up an ammunition depot on their retreat. Stern warning from Foch.
Official end of hostilities in Africa
Several abdications of regional nobility in Germany
Labour leaves the War coalition

Let's have some good news for a change.
1901 - Karl Landsteiner publishes his discovery of the AB0 blood group system
1969 - Liftoff of of Apollo 12 (Conrad, Bean, Gordon)
1971 - Mariner 9 enters Mars orbit
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