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Of course the fact that the Federal Republic (presumably) never recognised the Islamic State a state would mean that its military would not count as an army either. The UK has not had such a sweeping provision, at least in modern times - we have no objection to our citizens serving in armies of states that we like, it's just ones we view as hostile that we have a problem with. However, in Shamima Begum's case, one thing is clear: she never served in the IS military, she simply went there to marry a guy who did. Arneb, does the provision of the GG refer to actual armed service; if not, did this mean that the GI brides from 1949 on lost their German citizenship?

I presume that what Heid is talking about is that the US has a provision, not unlike France's, that service in its military qualifies a foreign national for citizenship. But unlike France, the US provision is inspired by the Roman Empire: the qualifying length of service is 25 years. My guess (although I don't know) is that the 25 year rule was a compromise included in the 1946 law. Previously, any application for citizenship was subject to a rule going back to the Republic's founding: American citizens were by definition white. Ironically, in the 1923 case, a group of Sikhs had watched the racial terminology gaining ground in Europe and tried to argue that India was where the Aryans originated. The US Supreme Court ruled that they were clearly not white and. as such, their grant of citizenship had violated the 1780s law. So come 1946, a new law provided that a person who had served for the requisite length of time qualified for US citizenship regardless of race.

I was actually quoting Starship Troopers. I didn’t know about the service qualification in the US as many foreign nationals are being deported despite being veterans.

Richard, the GG is short and to the point on that one :

(1) 1Die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit darf nicht entzogen werden. 2Der Verlust der Staatsangehörigkeit darf nur auf Grund eines Gesetzes und gegen den Willen des Betroffenen nur dann eintreten, wenn der Betroffene dadurch nicht staatenlos wird.

"German citizenship may be not revoked. Loss of citizenship can only occur based upon a law; against the will of the person concerned it can only oocur if the person does not become stateless."

However, I don't know what the precise difference between "loss" and "revocation/stripping/withdrawing/depriving" (whichever translation you chose). I don't know on which specific law the possibility is based. Probably somewhere in the dual citizenship laws developed by the red-green Schröder government. Something along the lines, you may hold two citizenships, but if your serve ion the other country's armed forces without getting our permission you can lose your German citizenship. Nothing at all to do with Islamist Germans joining the Djihad in ISIS-held territory and ending up in Kurdish prisons.

I think the remark in the news was just in order to score a few populist points on the "tough on Islamists" front - in reply to the Great Orange One's declaration, take your tarrists back from Kurdish prisons or we'll set them free". It wasn't a particularly substantive point.

And here is an unfortunate coincidence I didn't know of:

27 Feb, 1900 - Founding of the Labour Representation Committee, later Labour Party, in London
27 Feb, 1925 - Re-Founding of the National Socialist German Worker's Party, in Munich's Bürgerbräukeller (it had been banned after the 1923 coup attempt). Adolf Hitler makes his first speech after his release from prison.

Also the Reichstag fire in 1933 and the founding of Fußball-Club Bayern München e.V. in 1900. Busy old date.

Oh yes. Must have stopped reading when I picked up my pair.

A highly unfortunate coincidence indeed, Arneb. One which, if publicised, would be picked up with delight by the US right wing; from time to time, showing complete ignorance of who some the groups that found themselves rounded up in the Third Reich were, they try to argue that clear proof of the evils of socialism is provided by what the National Socialists did. Happily they don't seem to have picked up on the name parallel between the the "democratic socialists" (Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez et al), and the Party of Democratic Socialism!

Don't quite know where to put this, but it seems most appropriate here:

My son remarked this morning that, barring an article 50 extension, there is no date on which Brexit is exactly one month away. Honestly, I wouldn't have thought of that one.

How odd, I hadn't thought of that.

Also, too February 28th is the birthday of the Memsahib and her younger brother born eleven years later.

4th March 1980: Robert Mugabe becomes the first black PM of Rhodesia amid great hopes for the future. Narrator: Those hopes were not fulfilled.

4th March 1994, passing of John Candy. Hard to believe it's been 25yrs. already.
Nice tribute here:
https://www.facebook.com/thesecondcity/ ... 410233974/

11 March, 2011

March 19th, 1982: The Argentine Navy invades South Georgia starting the Falklands War.

9th April 1865 the Confederacy adopted the final (all white) version of its flag which is somehow less popular than the second last variant.

Arneb wrote:Don't quite know where to put this, but it seems most appropriate here:

My son remarked this morning that, barring an article 50 extension, there is no date on which Brexit is exactly one month away. Honestly, I wouldn't have thought of that one.

True when written, but no longer.

In case of an art. 50 revocation, it might become true again.

20 years ago today, the Colombine High School Massacre.

25 years ago, death of Ayrton Senna, Formula One driver, at the San Marino Grand Prix, Imola.

May 2nd 1969: QE2 began her maiden transatlantic voyage leaving Southampton for New York. I have a fondness for the ship, she is the first major vessel I remember seeing in the Clyde, she was the last of the liners before they became cruise ships, a number of my friends headed south on her in 1982 making her the last of the great troopships. The world has changed and liners have been replaced by cruiseships and aircraft and this saddens me for reasons I find hard to explain.

We do still have the old joke about two women at a cocktail party:
Woman 1: What does your husband do?
Woman 2: He works for Cunard.
Woman 1: Well my husband works jolly hard as well.

Richard A wrote:However, in Shamima Begum's case, one thing is clear: she never served in the IS military, she simply went there to marry a guy who did.

There is now some evidence that she was an active member of the morality police enforcing Daesh's view of Sharia Law.

Heid the Ba wrote:We do still have the old joke about two women at a cocktail party:
Woman 1: What does your husband do?
Woman 2: He works for Cunard.
Woman 1: Well my husband works jolly hard as well.

One of the very few jokes I know that work better in writing - because I wouldn't get that there is a joke in the first place if I only heard it.

Frau 1: Was macht dein Ehemann?
Frau 2: Er arbeitet für Norddeutscher Lloyd.
Frau 1: Mein Mann arbeitet für Hamburg-Südamerikanische Dampfschifffahrts-Gesellschaft.
Frau 2: Ah, das ist gut.

Small deductions on grammar, but yeah, quite.

Die Stunde Null for my side of it, V-E day for most of yours. 74 years ago today.