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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:35 pm

Heid the Ba wrote:
Arneb wrote:1945 - The Friedland transition camp for refugees and deportees from East Germany is insituted in Lower Saxony. AFAIK, my father, together with his mother and three brothers, was processed at that facility in 1946 before being passed on to their later place of residence east of Cologne. He was 10 yo, measured 119 cm, and weighed all of 19 kg (BMI, 13.4). In later years, the camp servd as a first place to turn to for GDR refugees. It is still in use, processing refugees and asylum seekers to this day.

It's hard to believe how recent that was and how far Europe has come.


Absolutely. Even harder to believe that we're actually throwing it away.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:10 pm

September 20th, 1745 (continued) - Although the Jacobite army had secured the high ground to the south of Cope's army, they were dismayed by the natural advantages of Cope's position. A frontal Highland charge would flounder in the marshy ground in front of the Royalist army's centre and be shot to pieces by musket and cannon fire. Although Cope had 6 cannons and some cohorns (mortars), he had no gunners. To prevent a surprise attack during the night, Cope kept fires burning in front of his position and posted 200 dragoons and 300 infantry as pickets.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lance » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:29 pm

Lianachan wrote:Prince Charles and the Jacobite army (good band name?)

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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:45 am

September 21st, 1745 - the Battle of Prestonpans. At three in the morning, the the entire Jacobite force walked three abreast along the Riggonhead Defile down towards the sea, crossed a morass, and formed line of battle to the east of Cope. Cope had feared an attack against both his flanks, and had realigned his army on a north-south front, in the position in which they would fight on the next day.

At 6 am Cope's dragoons saw 1,400 Highlanders charging through the early mist, making "wild Highland war cries and with the bloodcurdling skirl of the pipes....". His inexperienced army wheeled to its left by platoons to face the Highlanders, who were charging in from the east following their night march. Cope managed to scramble some cannon up onto his right flank. Because Cope had no gunners, Lt.-Colonel Whiteford (Marines) served the guns with his own hands, and Mr. Griffith (Commissary) the cohorns, and the two officers opened fire as soon as the Highlanders were in range. Undaunted by the light, inaccurate guns, the Highlander army continued its charge; however, the centre became bogged down in marshy terrain, and, as they continued forward, their different speeds of advance caused them to form into a "V". The wings on either side met the inexperienced dragoons on either side of Cope's centre, and the dragoons immediately fled the field. The centre, containing the experienced royal infantry were left facing the centre of the "V" on their front, and the two unopposed wings on either side, leaving them sandwiched. They suffered heavy casualties and gave way. The entire battle lasted just seven or eight minutes.

The Jacobites had around 30 killed and about 70 wounded, and Cope had suffered around 300 dead with 500 wounded. 1,500 prisoners were taken, and many of those who were Highlanders joined the Jacobite army. The wounded and prisoners were given the best care possible at the Prince's insistence. Along the road, Cope's baggage train at Cockenzie, containing £5000 (modern equivalent £600k/US$800k), many muskets and ammunition, was captured with only a single shot fired. Cope tried to rally his men, but could only lead about two hundred stragglers up a side lane (Johnnie Cope's Road) to reorganise in an adjacent field, where they refused further engagement. Cope had no choice but to travel southwards to Lauder and Coldstream and then on to the safety of Berwick-upon-Tweed, 50 miles away. Out of the 2,300 men in the royal army, only 170 troops managed to escape.

This victory did much to bolster the Jacobean cause, and many more recruits were soon gained in Scotland. The Prince spent the night at Pinkie House, while the army occupied Musselburgh.

ETA: The battle was generally called Gladsmuir at the time (sometimes Tranent, especially by the British). A petition of the inhabitants of Prestonpans complains that they are ' deprived of that honour and fame which of right belongs to them,' and demands that the battle should have its title from one of the towns or villages near which it was fought, and not after 'a barren muir'. Since then it has been generally called the Battle of Preston, and more modernly of Prestonpans.

This fine map is a British military one from 1745. It shows the area, where Cope's army had been set out at various times, where they thought the Jacobites were - and where it turns out the Jacobites actually were.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:55 am

21 September 1918 - saw the largest air raid of the war in Palestine. 105 planes attack (my source says "massacre") a group of Trukish soldiers firing some 56,000 rounds of MG ammo and 9,25 t worth of bombs.

Other news from Germany:
1457 - Not the oldest German University, but the oldest still in Germany, is founded: Albert-Ludwigs-Universität, Freiburg im Breisgau (for the interested reader: Which is, in fact, the oldest German University which is not in Germany today?)
1903 - One Dr. August Oetker gains a patent: He invented baking soda. His company is still one of the big food companies over here.
1949 - The Allied High Commission starts its work under the Occupation Statute, while the newly founded Federal Republic gets back (within limits) sovereignty over the executive, legislative and judicative branches of Government. By the Statute, Germany is also admitted into the Marshal Plan. Welcome, Wirtschaftswunder.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:10 am

I thought Heidelberg was the oldest? Was in Germany and isn't now? Alsace? Strasbourg?
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:12 am

Hurrah for the 'Pans!

My paternal grandfather who was an Argyll & Sutherland Highlander was wakened daily at reveille by a tune about the battle.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:36 am

I liked that a Jacobite tune had been appropriated by their old enemies.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:20 pm

Heid the Ba wrote:I thought Heidelberg was the oldest? Was in Germany and isn't now? Alsace? Strasbourg?


Ashes on my head, I read "oldest" where it's "one of the oldest". Heidelberg is 1386, 71 years erlier. #-o

But the answer I was after is Prague, founded in 1348 (by Emperor Charles IV). Although, of course, the ascription "German" is debatable, when the very idea of "German" in early modern times was very, very differnt from today's. It is no co-incidence that the University was split up into a German and a Czech part in the 1880s, and the German part was closed in 1945...
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:33 pm

I wondered about ones in the Holy Roman Empire* but was thinking more of one of the old cities in the west. Czechs speaking German? Who ever heard of such a thing . . .

* neither an empire nor holy, as us Byzantinists say
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:34 pm

Lianachan wrote:I liked that a Jacobite tune had been appropriated by their old enemies.

It's a weegie regiment, they'll steal anything.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:32 am

Heid the Ba wrote:* neither an empire nor holy, as us Byzantinists say

I topd you a few years back didn't I, about my father explaining to me that the problem with the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation is that it was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire, nor German, nor even a nation?
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:36 am

22 September, 1918 - I don't get much of significance out of that day; still a lull in the West; in the South, the Serbian Army makes good progress cutting off an important reuspply railroad line.

1761 - George III is crowned King of Great Britain, beginning a splendid line of German import rulers. Actually I think that would be an excellent choice today. Your looneybin in Westminster could use some Mutti, methinks. You can borrow her if you want when she folds here, which doesn't seem to far away.
1961 - The U.S. Peace Corps is founded
1984 - I twas considered corny at the time, but the image of Francois Mitterand and Helmut Kohl reaching out to each other across the graves of Verdun is an extremely important and powerfully symbolic image for me in this time when we deliberately try to forget that this European Union, for the headaches it gives us, is indeed the choice of Peace over War, life over death.

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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:55 am

September 22nd, 1745 - The Prince returned to Holyrood, where he remained until October 31st. The army marched into Edinburgh, and was at first billeted in the city and suburbs. Lochiel volunteered to take the guard in the Lawnmarket over the castle gates, to prevent any sally from the castle, and his regiment bivouacked in the Parliament House and the Tron Church. Prince Charles sent messages to summon his friends from England. A council of Jacobean commanders was formed, which assembled each day at Holyrood.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:58 am

Mitterrand was born during Verdun and Kohl lost a brother in Hitler’s War so they may have a perspective the more cynical don’t.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:09 pm

They certainly did. I started to get a grasp on this when the "frozen" Balkan conflicts started to reappear, with a vengeance, in the 90s. You have to work hard on reconciliation. If you just keep it under wraps, it'sll be back.

23 September, 1918 - there was a small success for the Krauts, rarely enough: 13 German bombers attack the Marquise depot and destroy close to 100 R.A.F. planes.

On o a more STEMy note:
1846 - discovery of Neptune, bei Johnan Gottfried Galle and Heinrichs d'Arrest, in Berlin. It is 1° from the position which Urbain LeVerrier had calculated. Thorugh several name changes and incarnations, what was the Berliner Sternwarte has since become the Astrophysikalisches Institut Potsdam. I've visited it on a few occasions with the son. It's logo shows the configuration of stars around Neptune when it was discovered, and the assistant, d'arrest out, "dieser Stern ist nicht auf der Karte!"
1889 - Nintendo Company founded. They started Out printing playing cards, but have since become the bane of all upright-thinking parents. Except those, of course, who grew up on a Game Boy.
2002 - The first version of Mozilla Firefox appears, under the name Phoenix.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:00 am

24 September, 1918 - The German government is informed by the Army command that armistice negotiations are unavoidable.
Western front starts action again, just as Heid predicted - around St. Quentin. The BEF will take in more than 30,000 POW in the coming week-


News from home for today:
1959 - Günter Grass publishes perhaps the greatest postwar nowvel so far, Die Blechtrommel
1990 - The GDR leaves the Warsaw Pact
2002 - Angela Merkel becomes her Party's chairwoman. Everyone was sure this would be a transitional episode, and that she didn't have a snowball's chance in hell to survive more than a few years.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:12 am

Angela Merkel, what ever happened to her?
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:52 am

Heid the Ba wrote:Angela Merkel, what ever happened to her?

I guess she just fell by the wayside, pushed out by real political giants like Stoiber, Seehofer, Schröder, Sarkozy, Hollande, Berlusconi, Cameron, Bush, Obama and Trump. Now there is only Theresa May who is revered as a shining example of what great things women can do in politics.

One correction: Merkel already became chairwoman of her party in May 2000; 24 Sep, 2002, saw her election as chairwoman of the parliamentary faction after Stoiber had botched the generla election and Red-Green had been re-elected. It was an extremely smart move: That way, she ended the career of her longt-term rival, Friedrich Merz. And the Christian Social Union had had their shot at the Kanzleramt with Stoiber, so it eliminated two heavy contenders. It made her the default candidate for the next general election, she had a whole legislature in the limelight to prove herself, build ties, quietly sort out who was with her and who wasn't, etc. It paid off in 2005 when Red/Green lost the state election in North Rhine-Westphalia, the Social Democrats' heartland, and an early election was called. This woman is great at biding her time.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:55 pm

Who knew that a woman raised in the DDR could play the long game? Of course in the Hollywood bio-pic she’ll be played by Angelina Jolie, or maybe Reese Witherspoon . . .
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:39 pm

A very long game, and as an expert. To a LOT of men no longer in politics, she was like the Spanish Inquisition: They didn't expect her.

Re. Hollywood: At least that. The wife is grappling with her new, not infrequently rather dim pupils, and she tolf mewhen she asked them, in English, how they would characterize A. Merkel, the only thing that came to their mind was "ugly".
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Heid the Ba » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:07 pm

That is harsh, she’s a 64 year old woman. No-one would ever say that about a man in his sixties.
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:45 pm

Well, as I said they aren't the brightest bulbs in the house, some of them...
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Arneb » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:43 am

25 September, 1918 - Edward "Eddie" Rickenbacker achieves 7 air victories in one day, a feat for which he receives the Medal of Honor in 1931.
Collapsing Southern fronts across the board, mutiny and unrest in Bulgaria, etc. etc.

A basket of good news for today:
1555 - The Peace of Augsburg gives a legal framework to the co-existence of Catholic and Protestant areas in the Holy Roman Empire. It'll last until the beginning of the 30 Years War in 1618, one of the longest periods of peace in Europe so far.
1789 - Bill of rights passed by Congress. When was that abolished again (except the 2nd, of course)?
1981 - Sandra Day O'Connor becomes the first women at SCOTUS. Kick ass, garrull!
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Re: On this day in history...

Postby Lianachan » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:13 am

September 25th, 1066 - King Harold Godwinson defeats Harald Hardrada at the Battle of Stamford Bridge. He shouldn't get too complacent, though.
September 25th, 1237 - Treaty of York defines the border between Scotland and England. Apart from a few incidents, mainly Berwick related, it pretty much stays as then defined.
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