tubeswell wrote:Is anything pure?
Arneb wrote:Halcyon Dayz, I get this nagging feeling that your screen title may not be totally appropriate.
Mactep wrote:Ah, Halcyon Dayz, FCD made all the same points, but he did it more succinctly :P
Halcyon Dayz, FCD wrote:tubeswell wrote:Maybe all workers should have equal access to machinery and other types of facilities used in production as employers. Then employers could do more of their own work if they want to make something. I like artisan based businesses - the people are friendlier.
The question remains, who's going to pay for all that stuff? (The machinery and facilities that is.)
Also, without industrial mass production as it's backbone the world economy couldn't possibly feed 7 billion people, let alone keep them in fineries.
Artisan based production is a luxury only the most productive nations can afford.
It's post-industrial.
Halcyon Dayz, FCD wrote:tubeswell wrote:So the conditions of workers is generally improving-to-rosy is it?. Tell that to people in the third world who have to dig through scrap heaps for a living.
Don't knock it. That's basically what I do for a living.
It's called recycling.
People always have made a living extraction valuable resources from stuff other people throw away.
When I was a little kid there still was a guy doing the rounds with an horse-drawn cart to collect potato-peelings for pigs-feed.
That's just not cost-effective anymore.
(Potato peels now become compost or bio-gas.)
The safety and health conditions of workers in the 3rd world suck, as does their pay.
But those are still better then 200 years ago.
Halcyon Dayz, FCD wrote:tubeswell wrote:The reason conditions in Japan, UK, Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand are better than they were 200 years ago, is that the people in these countries are riding on surpluses extracted from people in much poorer areas that they have created dependencies of.
That is not the reason conditions are better, that is the reason they are better then they otherwise would be.
Which is still a lot better then 1800.
The main reason workers in the industrialised world are so much better off is because their productivity has increased by several orders of magnitude.
If you want to achieve global socio-economic justice don't go around knocking industrial production and the free markets.
Those are the engines that produce the wealth that will allows us to afford it in he first place.
Mactep wrote:tubeswell wrote:I guess Marx was fond of conspiracy and hated cartels
How do you feel about that?
Mactep wrote:tubeswell wrote:and attempt (through lobbying their political allies) to do so at every available opportunity by undermining work conditions.
Absolutely, and labour groups have counter-lobbies. How has the relative power of these two groups been changing over time? How about the wages themselves?
Mactep wrote:tubeswell wrote:Since you obviously have the answer at your fingertips, perhaps you would like to share the beneficence of your wisdom freely in this regard?
The answer to what? The causes of inflation, or how to make the world a better place? I have more to say about one of those than the other, and have in fact been discussing one of them. It's been pretty well received, wouldn't you say?
Mactep wrote:tubeswell wrote:(I will leave on one side the pending discussion of what is all this 1st world over-consumption doing to the planet's finite resources).
I think that is an extremely important issue, but it doesn't have much to do with inflation.
KLA2 wrote:tubeswell wrote:Is anything pure?
Yes. Ivory Soap is 99 44/100% pure. Nothing else.
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KLA2 wrote:PS: Please bear with me as I seem to have misplaced
the original Qu'ran Burning thread. I will make all
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Right. We keep the hijacking part, and lose the legitimate thread.
[strike]Mods! Mods! [/strike] Admins! Admins!
{Hey, it's cool, MM_Dandy. If it's gone, it's gone. Along with my Poultry Prize.}
Don't spend any more time on it than the five minutes it deserves! :wink:
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