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Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:30 pm
by Lianachan
I'm amazed at the quality of this:


Image.

I don't know the guy who did the reconstruction, but the archaeologist referred to in the article who's been working with the remains of the Bronze Age woman is a good friend.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:27 pm
by Arneb
Outstanding.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:18 pm
by Lance
Wow. That looks TOO real.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:42 pm
by Arneb
Given that she died young, the image is probably a bit flattering as it shows a woman in good health and nourishment. Although acute disease can rip you out of a healthy life unimpeded by handicap and disease on short notice, I wonder if she really did look that gorgeous shortly before her death.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:25 pm
by Lianachan
Arneb wrote:Given that she died young, the image is probably a bit flattering as it shows a woman in good health and nourishment. Although acute disease can rip you out of a healthy life unimpeded by handicap and disease on short notice, I wonder if she really did look that gorgeous shortly before her death.

There's no evidence of disease or injury in the bones, not even in the teeth, although she must have died somehow and we don't have the complete skeleton. Details about the remains here if you're interested. There should be DNA results coming, which will be interesting.

Obviously there's a question of interpretation and artistic license on the details, but I find the image to be quite hypnotic. As an archaeologist, I'm of course really interested in all of this sort of thing, but that picture really seems to give a connection to a young woman, and a society, who lived almost 4,000 years ago, for me.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:06 pm
by Arneb
I Totally agree. This 4,000 yo x-times granny of ours looks as if she could just turn the corner and have some interested looks thrown her way. Or she could open her mouth and ask us, in puzzled voice, why everything looked so different all of a sudden. It's a great work

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:29 pm
by Lance
So where was she from? Is it me, or does she look Germanic?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:39 pm
by Lianachan
Lance wrote:So where was she from? Is it me, or does she look Germanic?

The north of Scotland, quite near where I used to live actually.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:41 pm
by Arneb
Venture a guess: Could you understand her speaking?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:46 pm
by Lianachan
Arneb wrote:Venture a guess: Could you understand her speaking?


Her language? No.

Edited for further details: the earliest evidence for the languages of that part of the world are from the names of places, mainly coastal features like promonteries, and river names. Those were first recorded, in Greek, about 300 BC by Pytheas but reached us in Latin. They're well understood though. They indicate a proto-Celtic root, but even then the woman would have been buried for over a thousand years by that point, and we don't know how old those place names were.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:58 pm
by tubeswell
Pretty face. What about the rest of her?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:03 am
by Lianachan
Here you go.

Image

Only the bits in purple, mind.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:32 am
by tubeswell
Any evidence of parturition scarring on the pelvic remnant? Or could she have been a virgin?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:37 am
by Lianachan
I don't recall that ever being mentioned, one way or another. What I've been wondering is whether any isotope analysis of her teeth has been done, to see where she originally came from. People were pretty mobile in the Bronze Age.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:59 am
by tubeswell
Lianachan wrote:I don't recall that ever being mentioned, one way or another.


Is not fecundity by age cohort an important indicator of palaeo lifestyle? or something like that? (from my recollections of studying physical anthropology in the '80s)

Lianachan wrote: What I've been wondering is whether any isotope analysis of her teeth has been done, to see where she originally came from. People were pretty mobile in the Bronze Age.


Did she have a nice full set of even upper chompers?, or did she have a toothy grin?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:44 am
by Lance
Next someone's going to ask if they reconstructed her boobs... (Did they?)

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:56 am
by Lance
Okay, here's a very quick attempt.

Spoiler:
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Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:28 am
by tubeswell
Lance, you found your niche!

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:12 am
by Lance
I've done FAR better than that. That one is garbage.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:16 am
by tubeswell
Ok then. Prove it.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:19 am
by Lance
Here's one I always liked.

Spoiler:
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Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:21 am
by Enzo
Quit horsing around. You see the problem there is you have to walk ALL the way around front to kiss her when you are done.

I wonder about the eyes. Is blue eyes a reasonable guess for the time and place?

I used to see the standard image of Jesus Christ, the thin long-haired fellow would have blue eyes. Not very likely considering where he came from. Have we any way of knowing when blue eyes entered the main stream? I know little beyond them being recessive. But they do seem centered in certain areas. Not many blue eyed Chinese or Native Americans or sub-Saharan Africans. Would she reasonable be expected to have them?

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:44 pm
by Lance
Here's a slightly better one. I gave her a haircut too.

Spoiler:
Reconstruction.jpg

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm
by Heid the Ba
You know some of us check IrU at work, don't you? Fortunately I'm the boss.

I don't think the second image is centaured correctly. I'll get me coat.

Re: Facial Reconstruction

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:33 pm
by Lance
Edited to add {spoiler}