Superluminal wrote:Lighten up Heid, this is a chance to blow off steam. Of course, if the disposition of his body had been up to me, I would have had him buried in a secret unmarked grave. We're not the kind of people to drag bodys through the streets.
Arneb wrote:And don't call me Jesus :wink:
Arneb wrote:I still think that a living OBL wouldn't have materially affected the security situation of the US - if they are able to strike, they strike.
Arneb wrote:As an analogy, just think of the Eichmann trial in Israel.
Heid the Ba' wrote:You got your wish with the grave. :D
Arneb wrote:Eichmann - I know what they did to him. OK: No matter if the aim is killing or abduction, covert overseas operations aren't exactly by the rulebook anyway, but still. He got a trial with all the bells and whistles: Good lawyers, plenty food, a suit&tie, simultaneous translation, plenty of time for preparation, all the evidence used against him available to his counsel; the right to cross-examine witnesses; no torture, a priest, and a method of execution that was fast and painless (as I said, I AM willing to suspend my opposition to capital punishment in extreme cases). It pretty much destroyed the evil-almighty aura that the SS Obersturmbannführer enjoyed in the public imagination: To see this lowly, self-pitying, writhing banal bureaucrat making up excuses for himself ("just following orders"). I think it was devastating for any glorifiers of Nazism and a glorious moment for Israel. It would have been a glorious moment for the US to give OBL the same kind of treatment. It would have been a disaster for Islamist terrorism to see their idol well-fed and well-treated supportedby a highly-paid lawyer playing every trick in the book to pounce his client off death row.
Arneb wrote:There is this nagging doubt that OBL was ordered killed simply because the Obama administration didn't dare put him in front of a regular American court for fear they might actually lose. That, to me, leaves an aftertaste of weakness.
MM_Dandy wrote:Arneb, I'm not sure that having OBL tried, convicted, and punished by "the great Satan (TM)" would make any difference among the extremists. But I do wonder now if it might have helped relationships among more friendly entities.
tubeswell wrote:Great. So that's the end of the discussion then?
KLA2 wrote:St. Jimmy wrote:So after reading and listening to all these different reports and retraction of comments and statements by officials, I have serious doubts about everything. And not because I'm some conspiracy theorist, but because the way the US officials are releasing information is inviting doubt.
This whole 10 year manhunt hasn't been about justice being served or trying to detain an evil man; it's been a US revenge quest from start to finish. I don't think the mission on Sunday ever including capturing him. Especially when, he was shot through the left eye while unarmed. I can't say I blame us, he claimed responsibility for thousands of innocent American's deaths caused by Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks.
This is the only thing I believe whole-heartedly. I'm gonna take back all other statements I've made on the Bin Ladin situation and wait until some more official statements and info are released from officials, as new things seem to be emerging every day.
Yes. I think most people are annoyed that the US cannot get their facts (lies?) straight. May be due to the "fog of battle" and the speed of news (some, appearently, twittered within minutes of the event.)
Yes, Jimmy, war sucks. It is never about justice and honor; it is about winning at any cost by any means. Probably should be avoided, where possible.
Bin laden was evil beyond guilty, and had to die. I only wish I could die so quickly and easily.
I wish he could have suffered the pain and loss of every single one of the victims resulting from his actions. Weep for them. Demand justice serve them.
Superluminal wrote:Good question, if someone was responsible for killing 3,000 innocent people in another country and was hiding in the U.S. If agents of that country tracked him down and killed him, without harming any Americans, would we really go that nuts? All sorts of things happen around the U.S. Mexican border and noboby, exept the people who live there, goes nuts.
St. Jimmy wrote:I have to disagree. I the United States wants to keep trying to play the role of the world's police agency, then it can't be hypocritical. Osama Bin Ladin should have stood trial for his crimes just like any other murderer. The United States has commited a crime. We went unannounced, unauthorized into another country's territory on a mission to murder an unarmmed fugitive in cold blood for revenge. If another country did that to the US, we would go nuts.
MM_Dandy wrote:Arneb, I'm not sure that having OBL tried, convicted, and punished by "the great Satan (TM)" would make any difference among the extremists. But I do wonder now if it might have helped relationships among more friendly entities.
KLA2 wrote:Well. A war, you send in the armed forces with planes and tanks and stuff.
An outlaw, you send the police in cars with sirens and six guns.
GW pretty much had to call this a war, pardner. :wink:
Mactep wrote:Superluminal wrote:Good question, if someone was responsible for killing 3,000 innocent people in another country and was hiding in the U.S. If agents of that country tracked him down and killed him, without harming any Americans, would we really go that nuts? All sorts of things happen around the U.S. Mexican border and noboby, exept the people who live there, goes nuts.
I'm thinking of that Chilean guy the Pinochet regime took care of in Washington.
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