Candy wrote:The answer is no. The FCC forbids it not the FAA.
Khrushchev's Other Shoe wrote:Candy wrote:The answer is no. The FCC forbids it not the FAA.
This is what I thought, but every flight attendant from your bankrupt airline insists that I am recklessly endangering their lives if I operate a GPS device with no transmitter. When I flew to Hawaii, they had a contest to see who could guess when we were exactly half way there. I won. :D
Candy wrote:Use your electronic devices all you want. The laws will be changing soon. :D
Candy wrote:That's because they are confusing the FCC with the FAA. Most people do.
Khrushchev's Other Shoe wrote:This is good, I always thought this was a woo theory. But they always announce, "it is now safe to use electronic devices." The correct announcement would be "it is not permitted to use electronic devices."
Khrushchev's Other Shoe wrote:But the FCC rule is for mobile phones only, right? All the other rules are just because airlines want to be extra silly?
When British Airways made me turn off my GPS in the middle of the Sahara desert, I couldn't help but wonder what ground systems I was interfering with :D
Lance wrote:I used a GPS on a domestic (US) ATA flight a few years ago. Nobody said a word to me about it and I didn't try to hide it.
gillianren wrote:look, I don't know whether it does or doesn't hurt anything to use a cell phone on an airplane. I've just always wondered who you have to talk to that bad.
gillianren wrote:look, I don't know whether it does or doesn't hurt anything to use a cell phone on an airplane. I've just always wondered who you have to talk to that bad.
Passenger and crew phone calls
Much of what happened on the plane has been derived from the many phone calls made by passengers and crew, mainly through mobile phones. Ten passengers and two crew members made calls after the hijacking began. This was in marked contrast to the other three planes, where few phone calls were made. It has thus been possible to assemble a detailed yet incomplete picture of what happened on board through these calls.
All said that there were three rather than four hijackers. This has been interpreted as meaning that one of them (probably Jarrah, who was seated in the front row (seat 1B) and who is accepted as being the pilot) entered the cockpit right away and did not reemerge. He was thus not seen by the others on the plane.
In the passenger area, three hijackers wearing red bandannas herded most of the passengers and crew to the back of the plane. Two were armed with knives and the third held a box that supposedly contained a bomb. The remaining passengers were kept in the first class area. One male passenger was stabbed, probably before the herding started. This person was never named or described in the phone calls, but is believed by authorities to be Mark Rothenberg, the only first-class passenger who did not make a phone call. The pilot and first officer were also stabbed, probably during the takeover of the cockpit, and were critically wounded or killed at that point. A flight attendant was held in the cockpit and may have been stabbed and killed - she was most likely the chief flight attendant, Debra Welsh. It has being speculated by some that she attempted to perform CPR on either Mark Rothenberg or one of the pilots and refused to stop when the hijackers ordered her to.
The passengers and crew became aware through the phone calls of what had happened to Flights 11, 175 and 77.
One first-class passenger, Tom Burnett, called his wife four times about the hijacking; she alerted the FBI. He described the death of the male passenger, asked about the other planes and stated at the end of the fourth call: "Don't worry. We're going to do something."
Another first class passenger, Mark Bingham, called his mother and reported that three hijackers had taken over the plane. He gave little detail of them. He was apparently cut off at the end of his brief call, and did not return any of the phone calls from friends and family. One more first class passenger, Edward Felt, called 911 to alert the authorities that the plane had been hijacked and the passengers were resisting. His brief call was also cut off.
A coach-class passenger, Jeremy Glick, called his wife in New York and reported that three "Iranian looking" men had hijacked the plane, one of whom had a red box strapped to his waist which they claimed to be a bomb. Jeremy asked his wife if it was true that planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, as he had heard from other passengers. He then stated that he was going to participate in the charge.
Todd Beamer, another coach-class passenger, tried to place a credit card call through a phone located on the back of a plane seat but was routed to a customer-service representative instead, who passed him on to supervisor Lisa Jefferson. Beamer reported that one passenger was dead, and, later, that the pilot and first officer were wounded. He was also on the phone when the plane made its turn in a south-easterly direction, a move that had him briefly panicking. Later, he told the operator that some of the plane's passengers were planning "to jump" the hijackers.
Other persons who made phone calls to relatives include passenger Honor Wainio and flight attendants CeeCee Lyles and Sandra Bradshaw. They all mentioned charges to the cockpit by way of final words. Reference was also made by the flight attendants to using boiling water on the hijackers.
Several persons such as Glick, Beamer and Lyles put their phones down but did not hang up as they went away. This enabled those on the other end to listen to what happened next, but little could be heard or understood other than screams.
Khrushchev's Other Shoe wrote:Let's roll...
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