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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:16 pm

This train's never late. There is a general election in the offing so the PM promises to build ships at Rosyth. Somehow after the election these ships will end up being built in England.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:05 pm

Cunning!
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Richard A » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:32 pm

Arneb wrote:Here is one thing I don't get. The opposition in the Commons, including the thrown-out lot from the Tories seems to have a majority of around 330 to 300. Why didn't they

a) put up a motion of no confidence in the current PM
b) declare confidence in a caretaker Prime Minister - a figure of integrity who is guaranteed not to have his or her own ambitions: Kenneth Clarke, Oliver Letwin, Anna Soubry or an old moderate Labour hand past their prime, and ask the Queen to appoint him or her
c) Make a referendum law laying out three options: Do you want
1 the UK to leave the EU on Oct. 31 without further negotiations ("NO-DEAL BREXIT")
2 the UK to leave the European Union on October 31st according to the agreement reached in February 2019 ("GOVERNMENT DEAL BREXIT")
3 the UK to revoke the referendum decision of 2016 and stay in the EU ("NO BREXIT")?
If no option reaches an absolute majority, the two with the most votes run off against each other two weeks later
d) offer the Tories to schedule a genreal election about two or three months after the referendum, so that the current House can bring in the legislation required to put the result of the new referendum in practice.

Apparently, a similar version of this failed because many MPs couldn't imagine voting for Jeremy Corbyn - and I get that. So Labour could say that, for the good of the country we'll even vote for a Tory who has shown they will put the good of the country above their own ambitions. It could have set something in motion.


Very good questions - and pretty much what I have been in favour of for a while. (OK, I hadn't thought through the precise details of (c), but your proposal is a good one.) In fact, (a) would not necessarily have resulted in an immediate election - it should ideally have been followed by (b). But here's the rub. Some in the Labour Party will not contemplate anyone other than Corbyn as caretaker PM - whether or not they cite the constitutional convention (on which they have a point), the real issue is that they will not tolerate anyone who might continue policies such as austerity. Normally they'd be right, but they clearly do not recognise the current emergency and what follows from that. Many others (myself included) would have accepted someone other than Corbyn, particularly as a caretaker PM, but are very wary of someone like Harman (one of Jo Swinson's suggestions) as she might use her position to try to take Labour back to Blairism. I personally thought Ken Clarke a good choice, but others said "no way"! So the real problem with (b) was finding someone who could command a majority. I still think they should have gone for it - following a vote of no confidence, the opposition has 14 days to come up with a credible government and I think that would have been enough for the necessary horse trading. But hey, it's past history now - unless they can pull that rabbit out of the hat as soon as Parliament reconvenes. (And who knows what talks may be going on while Parliament's shut?) Tom Watson is now demanding, pretty much, (c) and (d), but Corbyn is saying no. So we'll see. And it may all be too late now anyway - unless the Supreme Court upholds the Court of Session decision.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Richard A » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:36 pm

But even now, Leave.EU (Cummings's mates) are attacking the Court of Session judges - digging up controversial decisions of each of the three. Possibly to mobilise "the people" against them, more likely to try to intimidate the Supreme Court. (Who have been called "enemies of the people" before.) Or even more likely both.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Thanks, Richard.

It all reminds how the last Weimar coalition broke down in 1932 because they were a third of a percent apart in future employee's contributions to general health insurance.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:31 pm

The two appeals at their UK Supreme Court have finished and the eleven judges have retired. To consider their verdict, or more accurately to write up their verdict. The Scottish case is the more important of the two since they three judges at the Inner House all ruled the same way, and on three different grounds so the Government has to defeat all those arguments to win. The English case was won by the government and appealed by the good guys, but it was just a single judge so doesn’t carry the same weight as the Scottish case does. Though you’ll have to look long and hard to find any English media who know that, or if they do who will say it out loud.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:19 pm

Summed up in the Grauniad perhaps a bit over enthusiastic but fairly accurate. We can of course still be shafted by the English.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:05 pm

And eleven judges all said “Fuck off Boris you lying toerag” or words to that effect. Bercow (which my spellcheck autocorrects to “Her cow” will have the Commons back in harness in the morning.
I was wrong about the English case, it was a three judge panel not one. Three idiots apparently.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:18 pm

Did you hear the cry of "snap election!" emanating from no. 10?
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:44 pm

Heid the Ba wrote:Three idiots apparently.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Idiots
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:10 pm

Scotland’s Court of Session defeats England’s High Court 11-0 in the judging Home internationals.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:10 pm

Мастер wrote:
Heid the Ba wrote:Three idiots apparently.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Idiots

I’ve heard of it, but not seen it. I listen to BBC Asian Network so I’m surprisingly knowledgable about Desi culture.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:12 pm

Lianachan wrote:Scotland’s Court of Session defeats England’s High Court 11-0 in the judging Home internationals.


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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:12 pm

Lianachan wrote:Scotland’s Court of Session defeats England’s High Court 11-0 in the judging Home internationals.

Well put!
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:10 am

So if I’m calculating correctly, Boris Johnson needs to be out by 19 November to be the shortest serving PM in the history of the UK.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:02 pm

This link says Boris Johnson could lose his seat,

https://www.businessinsider.sg/boris-jo ... ?r=US&IR=T

thus becoming the first incumbent prime minister in the history of the UK to fail to win re-election as an MP. Another article I found does not say "first", but "first in more than a century".

But could it happen? Does the challenger have much of a chance?
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:15 pm

You'd wish for it, very hard. But it seems far-fetched.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Мастер » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:34 pm

So Boris Johnson has been pledging for some time that he takes the UK out of the EU on 31 October, deal or no deal.

Parliament passed a law requiring him to ask for an extension if he can’t get a deal approved by 19 October.

Today, he pledged that he would not resign.

I’d say he has a problem there.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:34 pm

I don't think logic (except maybe the logic of power) is a consideration for folks like him. He has his cronies at the Attorney General's office preparing a pseudo-reason for disregarding the No No-Deal Law. Some shambles to carry him over the Oct 31 deadline, and I think he is prepared to take the risk to ward off an indictment for hih treason by winning the next elextion in a landslide. Don't expect him and his cabinet of gangsters to have any respect for the law whatsoever.

If the opposition don't have the guts to install a caretaker PM who takes care of the law being followed, it's lights out at Nov. 1, 00:00 hrs. Always remember: All that has to happen for the UK to crash out without a deal at that date is - Nothing.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:47 am

Yeah, lots of people talking about taking no deal off the table - but no deal IS the table.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:30 pm

Actual footage of the UK leaving the EU.

Watch on youtube.com
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Re: Brexit Delay

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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Heid the Ba » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:02 pm

Boris loses another one. After all his bluff and bravado the government has stated under oath in a Scottish court that Boris will ask for an Article 50 extension if there is no deal agreed and ratified by parliament.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Lianachan » Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 pm

The EU, of course, would be well within their rights to respond to any such request with “take a hike, Bumblecunt”.
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Re: Brexit Delay

Postby Arneb » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:21 pm

And Bonnie Emmanuel is always threatening to. But nobody will, I'll bet a bottle of good Champagne. To be the asshole who pushed 60 million people over the cliff is an ignominy they'll happily leave with Bojo the Clown. All the more since he is more than prepared to accept the honour.

One week prorogation to come, see you back on Oct 14 for Wee Lizzy's Speech. If I were her, I'd show up in that Forza EU, Fuck You Tories dress she wore to the occasion last time. Maybe hum the Ode to Joy audibly and have a puff of Gauloise sans filtre in the dressing room.
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