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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:21 pm

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:39 pm

Amen.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:36 pm

So, the defense in the Manafort trial rested without calling any witnesses or presenting any evidence. I assume that they'll give a closing argument tomorrow, but still, that can't be good.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:39 pm

MAybe they hope to discredit the process.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:39 pm

I imagine that they will lean hard on the character flaws of the state's witnesses. And then years of appeals.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:25 pm

CNN reports that there were two parts to the defense's closing arguments: 1. Manafort didn't mean to defraud anybody, and 2. It was all Rick Gates' fault, anyway.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Enzo » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:57 pm

Oh... well then we are sorry to have detained you Mr. Manafort.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:30 pm

And maybe that was all the defense they needed. Whatever in the world could the jury still be deliberating is beyond me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby g-one » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:30 pm

MM_Dandy wrote:Whatever in the world could the jury still be deliberating is beyond me.

Probably deliberating that the commander in chimp has intimated that the whole thing is "bad, mkay". The jury must be at least somewhat representative of the populace (ie. a few there must not list "thinking" among their strong points).

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby MM_Dandy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:22 pm

Manafort has been found guilty on only 8 of the 18 charges. The other 10 were all hung, resulting in a mistrial on those counts. Yay, I guess? Most legal analysts that I've read assumed that he would be found guilty on most, if not all, counts. Eight is less than half. But, it's more than zero, and there's still another trial to go.

In other related news, it sounds like Cohen is negotiating a plea deal, although it seems that he's not interested in selling out Trump.

Edit: I should say that Cohen doesn't wish to cooperate with the Mueller collusion investigation. Pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws on Trump's behalf certainly doesn't do the orange one any favors.

So, overall, progress has been made. It's not as clear-cut and definitive as I'd like it to be, but I suppose that's probably closer to the reality of the situation, anyway.
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