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by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:05 pm

Does anyone ever watch this program on the BIO channel? I don't know why, but I like it. Today's program is "Abraham: One Man, One God" The existance of Abraham.

It states Abraham was in now day Iraq some 2000 years before Christ. Prior to the belief of one God, they had worshiped idols, the Moon, the Sun, and natural forces.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:08 pm

Abraham destroyed his father's idols one day, and told his father that the idols fought against each other and destroyed themselves. Abraham's father said these are just objects with no meaning. Hence, the start of monotheism.

Abraham married Sara, who could have no children.

Timeline: 2100 B.C.E.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:11 pm

Along with his father, cousin (Lot), and wife trekked across the desert to Canaan (Iran) where he settled. Abraham was 75 before God spoke to him for the first time.

Hmmmm, God told him to travel again. Hmmmm, I'm getting confused, now it states that this moment is the actual first sign of monotheism.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:14 pm

It states Abraham heard the voice of God, when no one else could. He was probably regarded as crazy. His family still followed him on his long journey.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:20 pm

Guided only by his faith, he now traveled to Canaan (Iran). I must have missed something.

Okay, he was in Ur (Iraq) until he was 75, then traveled to Canaan (Iran), then to Egypt. Sara was of such beauty, that a Pharoah took her, until God plaqued the country side. The Pharoah returned Sara.

Abraham is now regarded as a warrior. Lot is his nephew, not cousin - my bad.

Genesys 14 is mentioned.

I'm getting overwhelmed with all the characters getting introduced.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:21 pm

There's a Priest King that enters, and Abraham gives him a tenth of his belongings.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:24 pm

Sara gives Abraham their slave woman, Hagar (spelling), to conceive children. Two descendants are born, Jew and Muslim. How can this be possible? Sara and Hagar fight. Hagar gives birth to Ishmail (spelling). I'm getting confused again, now Sara's descendants determine the faith of Christ. I thought she couldn't have children. ARRRRRGGGG!

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:30 pm

Genesys 17:5 (Am I spelling this stuff correctly?)

Oops, I guess his name was Abram, and now God made it Abraham.

CIRCUMCISM has now been introduced for the Jews. Abraham was circumcised at the age of 99.

This is considered a part of the covenant.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:32 pm

Ohhhh, Sara was Sari (spelling), and God said you will have offspring with her.

Destroy Sodam and Gomorah for your convenant to spread. Abraham is negotiating with God. How weird!

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:35 pm

Sara had a son, Isaac. Isaac was circumcised at the age 8. Sara wants Hagar and their son cast out. CAT FIGHT!

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:37 pm

Ahhhh, Muslim and Jew conflict! Now, I get it. Ishmail and Isaac! Dang, this story line was set up in a very confusing way. No wonder, religion is confusing if this is what we have to deal with. :wink:

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:41 pm

Oh dear, God tells Abraham to sacrifice his child, Isaac. :shock:

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:42 pm

I know this doesn't happen, so I'm not freaking out. :wink:

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:43 pm

Why do the scriptures keep saying "this is your only son"?

Isaac was spared, because God knew Abraham feared God. :roll:

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:46 pm

Some theologist believe this story did not happen. Some believe it was possible due to the large amount of child sacrificing at that time for religious belief.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:49 pm

There's a Mosque in the Holy Land that states Isaac was to be sacrificed, and the Jew's believe it was Ishmail that was to be sacrificed. Ah, the cat fight continues.

After this 'event', Isaac never speaks to Abraham again. Sara dies shortly after hearing of the binding of Isaac. I would've thought the 99 year old Abraham would have died, hence, a reason for Isaac to never communicate with his father again.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:59 pm

Abraham weaps for Sara's death. He buys a piece of land in Israel (first recorded in history of property exchanging hands) is where Sara is laid to rest.

Abraham was 175 years old when he died (Genesys 25:8 ). Did I hear this wrong? Both Isaac and Ishmail bury their father.

Now, they add did Abraham ever exist? Was he just a mythical person?

Archaeologist try to study ancient biblical stories to verify.

There are tablets that confirm some part of the stories of Abraham (not mentioning him directly).

Abraham's God gave him Law and Direction, so this is a milestone for monotheism. He inspired Christianity (Isaac), Judaism (Isaac), and Muslim (Ishmail) beliefs.

Oh well, it was a nice story. :)

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:05 pm

AFTER THE SHOW IS OVER (I have my own thoughts to add)

I always thought that Abraham traveled extensively through out the Middle East and Africa. The story did not mention the lost tribes of Abraham.

A true Rabbi is supposedly a direct descendant of Abraham. This blood lineage has been proven with DNA.

There are people of color in Africa that have this same blood line. This, again, has been proven with DNA. This is a no-no, because the Jew's were not to intermingle with anyone outside of their race "faith".

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:12 pm

Okay, I'm done. Does anyone else want to add something about Abraham?

I don't consider myself religious, but I do like that there is some credence to religious beliefs. I'm glad someone told the stories over and over again, until a written language actually documented it.

FYI: Apparently, there was nothing ever written about Jesus Christ until 70 years after his death.

Abraham was 2000 years before Jesus. That makes for 2000 years of really good story telling. :)

by **Lance** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:25 pm

I don't understand how Islam played a role in this. I though Mohammed lived another 500 years after Christ.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:32 pm

Lance wrote:I don't understand how Islam played a role in this. I though Mohammed lived another 500 years after Christ.

They said Mohammed practiced beliefs directly from Abraham. Apparently, Abraham's child, Ishmail (from the slave Hagar), played a key role in uniting the 'faiths'. This is what God had said would happen. God only recognized Isaac as Abraham's true descendant, though. Or something like that...

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:36 pm

I know, it doesn't make sense to me, either. How can you unite faiths, when they are so separated? The three major faiths all stem from the same event in time, though.

Perhaps, Abraham is the key to actually UNITING the people in the future. I don't know.

Perhaps, uniting the faiths is something entirely different. I don't know. :oops:

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:40 pm

Maybe, God meant that a united faith of monotheism would arise because of Abraham.

I don't think God expected the division of monotheism after his intervention. :P

by **Lance** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:44 pm

Candy wrote:Maybe, God meant that a united faith of monotheism would arise because of Abraham.

I don't think God expected the division of monotheism after his intervention. :P

Yeah, I'd go along with that.

by **Candy** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:47 pm

The Place of Prophet Ibrahim in Islam, Christianity and Judaism

Faith, sacrifice, commitment and patience.
These are just some of the qualities that characterize Prophet Ibrahim or Abraham as he is called in English (peace be upon him).

So it should come as no surprise that he is revered not just in Islam, but in Christianity and Judaism as well. Prophet Ibrahim is also a great personality to discuss in dialogues between Muslims, Jews and Christians. Here is some basic information about him from the three perspectives:

1. ISLAM

"Salam (peace) be upon Abraham!" God says in the Quran (37:109).
In Islam, Prophet Ibrahim is the friend of God and the father of Prophets (Ismail or Ishmael in English and Ishaq or Isaac and the grandfather of Prophet Yaqub or Jacob). He is also one of the ancestors of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

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